Re: the silence of the rabbis about the government using NON-JEWISH BEASTS to brutalize Jews during demonstrations

SHmuel writes - and he is right:

 

Tell me.  If those beasts are not Jewish, then what is the "Halachic" holdback to neutralize them?

Whoever forms and arms that putrid filth is just the same as the excrement they choose to use, correspondingly why are the Rabbanim not addressing the subject at all?

Salaries?. Fear? all the previously mentioned?

Their silences are thunderous regarding that sickness of using criminally insane beasts to intimidate and attack Jews.

They should be made aware that others are seeing their silence with trepidation and if that does not move them, then their status may be exposed.

 

 

 

SHmuel 

Re: Friday, July 17, 2009

Demonstrations: who are the REAL heroic Jews in Israel? Armed National Religious, or unarmed Chassidim???

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/photos.php?albumid=5359281937188974209

MAKE SURE TO COPY AND PASTE, SO YOU CAN SEE PICTURES OF THE POLICE BRUTALITY AGAINST THE CHAREIDIM IN JERUSALEM. NOTICE, ON CLOSE-UP PICTURES, HOW A MAJORITY OF THESE POLICEMEN AREN'T EVEN JEWISH: ARABS, OR WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER ANTISEMITIC, SADISTIC, BRUTAL NATIONALITY - CAREFULLY CHOSEN POLICEMEN BY OUR BELOVED "BRETHREN".

Comments:

Edith wrote:

I say Amein to the description of these beasts, and agree that the haredim should be ashamed for not disowning, or putting a herem on these traitors to all things Jewish. Edith


And I, say:

AVEIRA GOREMET LEAVEIRA - ONE SIN LEADS TO ANOTHER -:

The government is SO USED to EMPLOYING NON-JEWS TO BRUTALIZE, WOUND AND KILL JEWS, that they have lost all shame and do it in broad daylight.

It used to be that they would use the PA Arabs to kill Jews in Yesha and attack settlers in all kinds of circumstances - INCLUDING during demonstrations.

But now, THE MASK IS OFF, and THEY EVEN DO IT IN JERUSALEM against Chareidim, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT WITH THEIR OWN EYES, using various Arab and other animals against helpless, unarmed Chassidim.

Maybe this demonstration will be THEIR DOWNFALL, and THE BEGINNING OF THE GEULA? WHERE JEWS CAN SEE , CLEAR AS DAY, WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, AWAY FROM PRYING EYES, in YEHUDA AND SHOMRON.

So really, will the rabbis start to say something about this criminal and outrageous behavior by our so-called Jewish government?

DS



Edith responds:

Daisy: You have turned the tables. I expected more from you, just as I expect more from those calling themselves religious. Enough of covering up the sins of the religious. They are worse in a way than the hilonim. When someone calls himself religious and does evil things, it is called Hilul HaShem.

DS replies:

Edith, are you speaking of the Haredim demonstrating, burning garbage and everything?

That is a different story altogether, and I think the previous post this one refers to, 'DEMONSTRATIONS"... discussed the issue quite clearly; there is pro, and there is con. You are against the violence, is what you are saying, if I understand you correctly.

But that is not the issue here; I am not discussing whether the Chareidim are right or wrong. The issue I am trying to make at this point is that the government is using brutal non-Jews both against Chassidim, whatever their right or wrong, and against Jews in Yesha.

The issue of right or wrong of the Chareidim was discussed in the previous post in rather great detail: I also showed the difference of opinion between Rav Moshe Sternbuch, president of the Eda Chareidit, and MK Meir Porush, of UTJ: they seem to have opposite views re: the propriety of these Jews' behavior.

Here is a typical example, related to what we just discussed:

Yaakov writes:

"Please help prevent the demolition of Ro"i Klein's home where his widow and 2 small children live."
By doing what? Another petition to a government that has shown in every way possible and no matter what party heads the government that they do not care in the slightest what the people think or want? A government that does not hesitate to send psychopath squads against Jews and shows no remorse for their perpetration of pogroms in Eretz Yisrael? Take a lesson from Netorei Carta on how to deal with such a government and stop sending out whining petitions for people to sign.





National Council of Young Israel 24 Tammuz 5769

As reported in Israel National News

On Monday, the High Court in Israel ruled in favor of the far-left organizations Peace Now and Yesh Din and ordered that 11 homes in the Samaria town of Eli be torn down. One of the homes in question belongs to IDF Major Roi Klein, who was killed in the Second Lebanon War when he jumped on a live hand grenade thrown by Hizbullah forces, in order to save his soldiers.

Maj. Klein's last words, his soldiers later said, were "Shema Yisrael."

Email readers, click here to view the video report.

The Klein family home is located in the Hayovel neighborhood of Eli. The neighborhood received government support and services over the course of more than a decade, but never received official authorization.

Peace Now claims that some houses were built on Arab-owned land. According to residents of Eli, a part of one building does extend onto Arab land, but the other homes in the neighborhood, including the Klein family residence, were built entirely on state land.

Klein's final act of bravery led the state to posthumously award him the Medal of Valor, the IDF's highest honor. Klein was the first to be awarded the medal in more than 30 years.

Klein's widow, Sarah, declined to respond to the High Court decision that could leave her and her two young children with no home. Neighbors described the news as "a harsh blow," particularly in light of the fact that it came almost exactly three years after Roey's death, and shortly before a scheduled IDF memorial ceremony in his honor.

'Will Your Hand not Tremble?'

Following the ruling, the Land of Israel Legal Forum sent an emotional appeal to Defense Minister Ehud Barak, calling on him to honor Major Klein by authorizing his family's home and making it legal. "Will your hand, as that responsible for destroying the home of this hero of Israel, not tremble as you sign the demolition order?" asked Forum chairman Nachi Eyal.

"With your signature, you could turn his home 'legal,' but you refuse... The law does not require you to destroy the home of a hero of Israel who gave his life for his people," the letter continued. "If there is any legal way to prevent this travesty, you must make use of it."

When he gave his life, Klein became a national symbol of bravery and sacrifice, Eyal noted. If Barak allows the Klein family home to be destroyed, "the message sent will be disastrous, for both civilians and soldiers," he warned.

"If there remains any significance to 'our duty to the fallen' - now is the time to prove it," he concluded

Please help prevent the demolition of Ro"i Klein's home where his widow and 2 small children live.

http://www.atzuma.co.il/petition/be770/1/



National Council of Young Israel
www.youngisrael.org
111 John Street
New York, NY 10038


Comments:

Rabbi Dov writes:

דיזי היקרה

אני מתנגד למשטרה ומעשיה בנושא זה אבל

הסתכלתי בתמונות ולא ראיתי ברוטליות

דב


DS replies:


Rabbi Stein,

In this case I think you are right, but why are they using GOYIM against Jews? And also, you did not see the pictures of the water cannons against the Jews - I guess everybody ran away at that time. Probably first hand accounts of the brutality would be more useful than pictures.

A relative of mine, who is a Chareidi, told me of severe brutality against Jews in separate demonstrations, also about Shabbat, when people WERE ONLY STANDING THERE, DOING NOTHING, JUST BEING PRESENT, yet were brutally assaulted.

Don't you think that should be investigated? And that was in Jerusalem.

Not to mention the brutality against Jews in Yesha, much, much worse, and also, OFTEN, perpetrated by non-Jews.

I think the principle of using Arabs, or Turks, or whatever their nationality, against Jews in Israel is a Chillul Hashem.

DS

Update:

Here, just as we were discussing the use of brutal, antisemitic, bloodthirsty Arabs and others against Jews, this:


Border Police Officer Breaks Boy’s Nose Near Shechem

Reported: 15:00 PM - Jul/20/09

(IsraelNN.com) A border police officer broke an 18-year old boy’s nose during a protest near Shechem on Monday. A group of activists were protesting the destruction of buildings near Shilo earlier in the day, but were not blocking the road.

A group of border police officers approached the group and violently arrested the boy. After taking the boy to a police station, the officers quickly realized he should be sent to a hospital.



Isn't it high time to have an outcry against the use of brutes by the government? Is this ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR EYES?

I sure hope the boy and his family SUE THE STATE FOR A LOT OF MONEY. Money is one language those up on top seem to understand only too well.

DS


Aryeh retorted:

Why are you asking for the Mafia to investigate itself? To whom do you intend to protest and receive justice? The Supreme Cult? Those who are unwilling to use force to achieve their goals will always be defeated by those who are willing to use force. The Haredim have no illusions as to with whom they are dealing. They know that if they want something only violence or blackmail will get results.


SHmuel replied:

I am simply at a loss. Did our younger men lose their balls?
Can anyone tell how come they let their kids be destroyed by the beasts operated
by the unJews in uniform?
The filth cannot win wars but boy can they beat up defenseless Jews.
That element in the so called "border police" is anywhere but at the "borders" and
that is proved by the fact that hordes of Lebanese walked in and out at will just a
couple of days ago again, need deep purging and fast.
So does the "yassam", police command in general and most of the general staff in the
pathetic military... And of course the infamous "Juden Sektion" of the G SS...

Would the young Jews victimized parents "react" the same way when the monstrous
beasts decide to rape their daughters and wives or they do plan to defend them?
Because they WILL DO THAT as well you know. That is part of their "training".

Lets see if this causes some action now.
Dr. Eldad and others claim to be with us and my questions are...
Are they aware that the degenerate unJews have INTENTIONALLY formed squads of
psychopaths not better than the black/brown uniformed Germans of that time?
Did they forgot that the same filth was in action before, during and after the
"disengagement" as in Amona, etc?
I have seen the "action squads" in Latin America, South Africa and here.
So no one claims lack of knowledge. The filthy murderers in all of those systems
are all the same and any "israeli" claim to the contrary is pure crapola.
And if the folk that is with "us" know all of the above, why are they NOT acting to
destroy the murderous squads?
And if that is not longer possible in their knowledge, why are they still part of that
system?
Further: The claim that the "israeli justice" is not part of the works of the deviant
garbage is also utterly false. The monstrous items ARE PART of that system.


DS:

And this brings us to the recent revelations about what the BASIJI do to girls in IRAN - see report below.

And since we have been informed that IRAN IMPORTS HAMAS THUGS to brutalize the protesters, and since we know that these PA Arabs are all the same: YOU DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.


IRAN IMPORTS THUGS - AND ISRAEL IMPORTS THUGS - THE SAME THUGS; SO WHY SHOULD THE RESULTS BE ANY DIFFERENT?

DID THEY GIVE EACH OTHER THE WORD?

AND DON'T FORGET THAT NOW OBAMA PLANS TO IMPORT THOSE SAME THUGS - 1350 to be precise - TO THE US,

ARE THEY ALL GIVING EACH OTHER THE WORD? DO THEY ALL HAVE THEIR HAMAS THUG ARMY READY TO GO AFTER INNOCENT JEWS AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS????



Horrific Stories of Iranian Militia Tell of Murders, Stonings
Tammuz 28, 5769, 20 July 09 03:55
by Malkah Fleisher

(Israelnationalnews.com) Horrific stories are now being released of the crushing hand of Iran's state militia, used against citizens opposed to the rule of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and especially against women.

Since the re-election of Ahmadinejad in late June, which was protested by many anti-Islamic Revolutionary Iranians as fixed, protests have swept through the Iranian capital city of Tehran and the rest of the country, demanding a recount of votes and the appointment of opposition presidential candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi as president of Iran.

Yet that is not what has happened. With Ahmadinejad's victory declared official, paramilitary mercenaries loyal to Khamenei have taken to the streets, terrorizing citizens and beating protesters, some to the point of death.

Amateur videos attributed to Iranian students have saturated internet video sharing sites. One, showing the street shooting and slow death of female student and protester Neda Soltan, has come to symbolize the violent and oppressive Iranian regime.

The Basij militia, founded by First Supreme Leader Ayatollah Sayyid Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini in 1979, are being heavily employed to instill fear in protestors. Receiving their orders from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, they are ardently loyal to the current religious leader, Khameini.

Populated primarily by youth seeking official benefits, the organization has not just been employed to crack down on anti-government actions, but generally enforces strict dress and social codes against women as well as spying out immoral conduct such as the distribution of anti-government propaganda or the possession of satellite dishes.

Reports are now surfacing that on June 14, Basiji militants broke into the dormitories of Tehran University against Iranian law, terrorizing students and murdering five of them. In a report by Britain's Guardian newspaper, 133 students were snatched from their beds in the middle of the night, following a severe beating of several students in front of the main gate to the university during the day.
Basiji militants broke into the dormitories of Tehran University against Iranian law, terrorizing students and murdering five of them.

Approximately a quarter of them were taken to the basement of the Interior Ministry where vote counting was taking place. The rest were taken to a security police building, some reporting mistreatment and others torture.

Five students died during the attack, being beaten repeatedly on the head with electric batons and buried the next day without notification to their families, according to the Guardian. After they were informed, families were warned not to mention their children or hold funerals, as was the case with the family of Soltan.

It is not yet possible to ascertain the number of injuries and casualties sustained by protestors, as hospitals and medical personnel have been forbidden from publicizing the facts. However, casualty estimates by human rights organizations have reached as high as 500, a far cry from the government's toll of 20.

Not only do the Basiji exemplify the iron hand of Iran's religious leadership, but also its sordid morality. A sobering interview with an anonymous veteran Basiji militant published last week in the Jerusalem Post reveals the complicity of religious authorities in years of rape of female prisoners, deemed "marriages" by prison mullahs.

Basiji youth frequently perform street thefts and sexual assaults against girls too frightened to protest, said the source.

But once behind bars and sentenced to execution, young women are "married" to Basiji prison guards, who rape them the evening prior to their deaths.

Iranian law forbids the execution of virgins, regardless of their crimes. Non-consensual prison marriages are therefore performed to enable the state to execute the female criminals.

According to the source, young women are frequently drugged on their wedding nights, because of their fear. In the morning, said the anonymous Basiji, girls seem more ready to die.

Laws against Iranian women, while not seen to be as harsh as those promulgated against Saudi women and others in the Islamic world, are still disproportionately strict. Punishments for crimes such as adultery occasionally result in public stonings, though the practice was officially banned in 2002. In such cases, women are guilty until proven innocent – for men accused of adultery, the opposite is true.

MAKE SURE TO VISIT THIS POST TOO:

Hamas Thugs in Iran -horrible aren't they - and what about our very own version here?

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/hamas-thugs-in-tehran-horrible-arent.html

AND THIS ONE ABOUT THE HAMAS THUGS IN IRAN

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/this-article-shows-you-first-hand.html

AND THIS ONE ABOUT THE IMPORTATION OF PA THUGS TO AMERICA:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/07/for-those-of-you-living-the-la-area.html

(Copy and paste all of them)



Addendum, sent by A.M.



'I Rape Iranian girls the night before Execution'

THE JERUSALEM POST Jul. 19,2009

In a shocking and unprecedented interview, directly exposing the inhumanity
of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's religious regime in Iran, a serving member
of the paramilitary Basiji militia has told this reporter of his role in
suppressing opposition street protests in recent weeks.

He has also detailed aspects of his earlier service in the force, including
his enforced participation in the rape of young Iranian girls prior to their
execution.

The interview took place by telephone, and on condition of anonymity. It was
arranged by a reliable source whose identity can also not be revealed.

Founded by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1979 as a "people's militia," the
volunteer Basiji force is subordinate to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards
and intensely loyal to Khomeini's successor, Khamenei.

The Basiji member, who is married with children, spoke soon after his
release by the Iranian authorities from detention. He had been held for the
"crime" of having set free two Iranian teenagers - a 13-year-old boy and a
15-year-old girl - who had been arrested during the disturbances that have
followed the disputed June presidential elections.

"There have been many other police and members of the security forces
arrested because they have shown leniency toward the protesters out on the
streets, or released them from custody without consulting our superiors," he
said.

He pinned the blame for much of the most ruthless violence employed by the
Iranian security apparatus against opposition protesters on what he called
"imported security forces" - recruits, as young as 14 and 15, he said, who
have been brought from small villages into the bigger cities where the
protests have been centered.

"Fourteen and 15-year old boys are given so much power, which I am sorry to
say they have abused," he said. "These kids do anything they please -
forcing people to empty out their wallets, taking whatever they want from
stores without paying, and touching young women inappropriately. The girls
are so frightened that they remain quiet and let them do what they want."

These youngsters, and other "plainclothes vigilantes," were committing most
of the crimes in the names of the regime, he said.

Asked about his own role in the brutal crackdowns on the protesters, whether
he had been beaten demonstrators and whether he regretted his actions, he
answered evasively.

"I did not attack any of the rioters - and even if I had, it is my duty to
follow orders," he began. "I don't have any regrets," he went on, "except
for when I worked as a prison guard during my adolescence."

Explaining how he had come to join the volunteer Basiji forces, he said his
mother had taken him to them.

When he was 16, "my mother took me to a Basiji station and begged them to
take me under their wing because I had no one and nothing foreseeable in my
future. My father was martyred during the war in Iraq and she did not want
me to get hooked on drugs and become a street thug. I had no choice," he
said.

He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so
"impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to
temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."

In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless
of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding"
ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is
forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by
her "husband."

"I regret that, even though the marriages were legal," he said.

Why the regret, if the marriages were "legal?"

"Because," he went on, "I could tell that the girls were more afraid of
their 'wedding' night than of the execution that awaited them in the
morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping
pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression; it
seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.

"I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over," he said.
"I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with
her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her."

Returning to the events of the last few weeks, and his decision to set free
the two teenage detainees, he said he "honestly" did not know why he had
released them, a decision that led to his own arrest, "but I think it was
because they were so young. They looked like children and I knew what would
happen to them if they weren't released."

He said that while a man is deemed "responsible for his own actions at 13,
for a woman it is 9," and that it was freeing the 15-year-old girl that
"really got me in trouble.

"I was not mistreated or really interrogated while being detained," he said.
"I was put in a tiny room and left alone. It was hard being isolated, so I
spent most of my time praying and thinking about my wife and kids."


Comments about the Iranian story:

Rote:

"The religion of peace" (Bush, the global village idiot)

Jack:

I also sent this out. Sending this around probably constitutes "hate speech," you know. This is about the religion of peace and tolerance, remember. We know it is b/c everyone in the PC know says so. Even Dubbya said so. And all cultures are equal, aren't they? Well, except for Israeli culture, of course, but otherwise people are just people and no place in intrisically better, right? This is beyond appalling, beyond horrifying. Reports out of Iran say that the women are doing most of the anti-government fighting now. They are fighting more than the men. I can relate to that, at least to some extent. I'm sure I cannot at all appreciate it fully.