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Thursday, June 21, 2012

The Stench of Deceit PART XIV: UPDATE on Bye, Bye Givat Ha'Ulpana: FAITH is the question.


IF, and only if the situation described in the article and video below is for real, then I will take back all my words, and the Ge'ulah is truly here. By the way this rabbi does look very decent and honest, and I hope I did not misjudge his actions; if I did, Al Chet Shechatati, and I ask for his forgiveness

It doesn't change past wrongs, though: Gush Katif, Amona, Havat Gilad, Mitzpeh Avichai,etc.  will never be forgotten, and not forgiven either, certainly not at this stage of the game.

Could it be that the government of Israel is actually doing Teshuvah? Could there be such a thing? Miracles, miracles?


Yesterday I wrote a long article about the complete and rapid surrender of Givat Ha'Ulpana's leaders to the demands of the government to destroy the neighborhood, which I also discussed in a radio interview on the Barry Chamish show, link provided below:

 In it, quoting an impressive and scholarly article from Jewish sources re: who the Erev Rav is, which points a finger at rabbis and religious leaders, I agreed with that author and attributed the rabbis' wholesale surrender to them being a secret form of the Erev Rav. However this morning upon awakening I had a sudden flash of understanding, which I think is more correct. So for now I do withdraw my statements about them being the Erev Rav, and I apologize sincerely if I maligned somebody unwittlingly. In my radio interview I also pointed to the various righteous rabbis who are indeed deserving of our praises for their courageous stand. But even for the rabbis who did and do go along with the demands of the government, I think there are other explanations, found in our scriptures and otherwise, that would better explain the rabbis' and our leaders' wholesale surrender to the criminal government's demands.

Yes, there is the power seeking element, yes, there is the lucre. After all, if a rabbi or some other leader is involved in a real estate deal and that is his livelihood, of course he will be swayed by the potential profit and losses deriving from it, after all he is human. That is why the Torah warns us in the strongest terms not to use it for personal gain. That is why our greatest sages traditionally earned their keep in other professions, cobblers, store keepers, etc: they never gained a penny from Torah. Torah can only be tought Lishma. The moment a salary is in question, and particularly if that salary comes from a corrupt and evil government, there is a serious problem, as proper judgment is in question.
 That is why Moshe Rabbeinu clearly states in this week's parsha, Korach:

 Numbers 16: 15

  לֹא חֲמוֹר אֶחָד מֵהֶם נָשָׂאתִי

" I have not taken even a single donkey of theirs... "

I have not led Am Yisrael for profit.

Moshe's fortune came from a sapphire mine that Hashem had showed him and given to him, not from Pharaoh's treasury, - actually it was Korach who had been Pharaoh's treasurer! - not from a salary from the government, not from money raised for a Yeshivah and used in a real estate deal, subject to issues of profit and losses, subject to authorization from a corrupt and evil government. We saw what happened to the rabbi of the Yeshivah of Har Bracha, Rav ELIEZER Melamed (NOT ZALMAN Melamed of Beth El). The rav of Har Bracha stood his ground against the government, he was harassed by Barak and his Yeshiva ostracized. Rabbi Shapira, Z"L, told the truth, stood his ground, and seven innocent pupils from Mercaz Harav were massacred one Rosh Chodesh Adar. Accident? Of course not. There is retaliation against rabbis who refuse to play ball, who refuse to be corrupted.

Yes, there is an Erev Rav element of attachment to power and money.

But there is more to it:

The surrender of the rabbis happened Tuesday night, on the cusp of both parshiot, Shelach Lecha, and Korach. Both of those parshiot are very relevant to what happened. In Shelach Lecha we learned about the Spies, the MERAGLIM who came back to Am Yisrael with the following report:

Numbers 13: 31-33

לא  וְהָאֲנָשִׁים אֲשֶׁר-עָלוּ עִמּוֹ, אָמְרוּ, לֹא נוּכַל, לַעֲלוֹת אֶל-הָעָם:  כִּי-חָזָק הוּא, מִמֶּנּוּ. 31 But the men that went up with him said: 'We are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.'
לב   וַיֹּצִיאוּ דִּבַּת הָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר תָּרוּ אֹתָהּ, אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, לֵאמֹר:  הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר עָבַרְנוּ בָהּ לָתוּר אֹתָהּ, אֶרֶץ אֹכֶלֶת יוֹשְׁבֶיהָ הִוא, וְכָל-הָעָם אֲשֶׁר-רָאִינוּ בְתוֹכָהּ, אַנְשֵׁי מִדּוֹת. 32 And they spread an evil report of the land which they had spied out unto the children of Israel, saying: 'The land, through which we have passed to spy it out, is a land that eats up its inhabitants and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature.
לג   וְשָׁם רָאִינוּ, אֶת-הַנְּפִילִים בְּנֵי עֲנָק--מִן-הַנְּפִלִים; וַנְּהִי בְעֵינֵינוּ כַּחֲגָבִים, וְכֵן הָיִינוּ בְּעֵינֵיהֶם. 33 And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.'

This is exactly what happened with our rabbis and our leaders. They repeated, almost exactly word for word, the sin of the Spies:

" Some battles cannot be won."

 The Anakim, the giants, are those steroid-pumped mercenaries, the thugs, the heavily armed police and army battalions of Peres, Ehud Barak, Bibi, and company, financed by our rich enemies. And just like the spies of old, our leaders got scared. They lacked the faith in God required of leaders of the Jewish People, the belief that Hashem will come to our aid if we only trust in Him, if we only have the courage to go up, and know that He will fight our battles, save us, and give us victory. It seems the rabbis themselves don't believe truly and deeply that God gave us this Land, that we have the right, no the obligation, to fight for it.

They were no Caleb, they were no Yehoshua. They were the Ten Spies named by name in the Torah. I could name our current "spies" by name too, but why should I? Everybody by now knows who those rabbis, who those sold-out leaders are.

The problem is that the People are following them blindly, just like in days of old. 

The leaders are to blame. They were punished in the Torah. Will they be punished this time as well?

It took a Nachson ben Aminadav to go into the raging waters, to face certain death, knowing with full faith that Hashem would come to Am Yisrael's rescue if only they trusted Him.

The only way to draw Hashem's grace is to have that courage, to have that faith. Without our faith Hashem will NOT come to our help. He demands of us that sacrifice, that show of trust in Him. That is a very difficult test: not every rabbi is ready to be a Rabbi Akiva, a martyr. And unfortunately we have had so many martyrs throughout the ages. On the other hand during the Holocaust we witnessed leaders, including some rabbis, who saved their own skins, hiding the truth from their followers, led them to their graves, while they themselves were led to safety.
Yet there were leaders who, like the captain on the proverbial ship, got off last. In Gush Katif as well, the leaders who blinded the people were rewarded, while their victims were led to despair, misery and homelessness. Don't those leaders, those rabbis, suffer any remorse? How can they sleep at night? Or did they possibly cooperate with an evil government out of genuine concern for the survival of the people? But then whom were they really afraid of? Who was this fierce enemy they were so afraid of? Be honest; it was the israeli government, as there was not other enemy to fear there. So how could they cooperate with such an evil entity without denouncing it?

Notice the strange silence this past week of Rav Shmuel Elihayu, Rav Yaakov Yosef, Rabbi Ginsburg, and the empty statement of Rav Lior re: Givat Ha'Ulpana. Now go back to the saga of Torat Hamelech, and notice how just recently the rabbis were exonerated. Again, do you think it was by accident? Of course not. The date of their exoneration was 5/28. The deal was made on 6/19. The time of the exoneration was just about the time that two rabbis started a hunger strike in favor of the Regulation Law. The government saw trouble with the rabbis, and, true to its vile character, used one of its regular weapons: legal charges and harassment.

Recall that the charges against the rabbis were extremely serious:

as they had been dragged in front of a police unit, the Yachbal,  created specially for international crimes and funded by the UN. They were about to be indicted in an international court for war crimes, and potentially dragged to the Hague to face a non-Jewish court of law. Have no doubt for a minute that the state of Israel would have extradited them in an instant. So just before the vote on the Regulation Law, the police handed them a carrot: be quiet, don't say a word, stay out of it, and we will leave you alone.

And indeed we did not hear from them. 

The stick, on the other hand, is the unending list of rabbis and leaders MURDERED by our government and the PTB for refusing to play ball with them. For countless recollection of cases, search the following labels on the blog:

"criminal police", "murders", "car accidents", 

or simply do a search with key words

And of course we haven't heard from any of the Haredi rabbis, who are just as guilty, as they are not coming to the aid of our poor persecuted leaders. 

Who can blame the rabbis, though? You have to be a real hero to dare face up to the monsters. Frankly, how many of us are up to the test? An Abraham was, a Daniel was, a Rabbi Akiva was, a Mordechai was, a Nachshon ben Aminadav was, a Yehoshua was, a Caleb was; but the great majority of our leaders are simply scared.

WHAT WE NEED TODAY IS SIMPLE FAITH, the simple courage to face up to the Goliaths of our days, the israeli government, the police, the Shabak, the Yassam, the Yamam, the UN, all the alphabet soup, Esav, Edom, and Yishmael.

Just like Caleb we need the Patriarchs; we also need Yosef's radiance to have the courage to face Esav; no wonder the PTB are trying to separate us from those two sources of strength and faith!

It is difficult; we do not know if we have the Zechut, if Hashem will save us or not. We are indeed taking a chance. But without taking a chance there is not even a chance of salvation from God! Our history has proven that, the Torah has proven that and has recorded that.

So, I am jumping in, I am taking a chance. Will you follow me?



  • Getting help from an unlikely source:

This article is proof - if you needed more - of the extreme and inhumane level of israeli police brutality. They have lost all legitimacy, showing the whole world that they are criminals in uniform doing the work of other criminals in power, the PTB, the NWO.

  • More help in the form of listeners to Barry's show, who were shocked by my graphic report of Nazi tactics employed against innocent Jews in Yesha, and decided to alert key people abroad: the word is getting out. 

  • Oh how nice: interesting how they didn't notice until now - I guess there weren't enough events, right? Amona, Gush Katif, Havat Gilad, Mitzpeh Avichai, etc, etc, - I guess there weren't enough pictures, or reports... amazing what bias will do.

    Bar Association: Police Violated Demonstrators' Rights

    Co-chairmen Uri Keinan and Avi Himi of the Criminal Forum of the Israel Bar Association sent a letter to Police Commissioner Yochanan Danino, Sunday, complaining that a number of the approximately 80 people arrested during social-justice demonstrations, Saturday evening in Tel Aviv, were not allowed to consult with attorneys. They called it "a most important right, if not the most important right of a suspect" to guarantee due process.
    Bar Association head Doron Barzilai condemned acts of vandalism on the part of demonstrators as well as the tough response of the police, explaining that the right to freedom of expression is important, but not at the expense of security, property and public order.
  •  I guess those leftists didn't think their demonstrations would end up helping US against the police, did they? Yesh Din: there is justice after all.
 Legal Forum: Investigate Police Violence in Tel Aviv

The Legal Forum for the Land of Israel demanded, Sunday, that Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein investigate the use of force by police in breaking up Saturday evening's social-justice demonstration in Tel Aviv. Forum attorney Hila Cohen said, "It appears that the use of force passed the bounds of what is proportional and reasonable for breaking up a demonstration and reached real violence, which is serious and dangerous to the safety of the public as well as to the safety of democracy."
The forum said the police had an interest in investigating these acts in order to increase public confidence by eradicating excesses that don't meet the standard of the law. It said a new body to oversee state prosecutors should oversee the police too.

You see, when you have faith and do the right thing God comes to your help!

Shavuah Tov.


Anonymous said...

"So, I am jumping in, I am taking a chance. Will you follow me?"

Exactly what are you jumping into? What are you doing and to where do you want people to follow you?

Aryeh Zelasko

DS said...

I am jumping in on having the guts to face up to the PTB, whatever the consequences. having the guts to tell the truth, to say it exactly like it is, to be willing to face up to the false leaders and expose them, face opprobrium, which I have anyway, or worse.

Even to express oneself the way one truly should is taking a chance these days. They can call you in any time, do to you what they do to the rabbis, etc.

The thing that is needed is a large-scale uprising against these evil collaborators up there. Time to say it like it is. Resistance has all but died out, and if we don't do something quick it will be impossible to stop the tide of destruction. We need to unite, all the people who agree, stop being scared, and resist. Even if we face who knows what.

With God's help.

Shiloh said...

Daisy, if you are currently following the derech of the rabbi's, ie what we call normative Judaism, you are destined to fail and will not have haShem behind you. If you decide to search the scriptures well and follow them and not the misinterpretations of the rabbi's you can have success. It's a trap you have fallen into.

DS said...


Please identify yourself: who are you? A messianic Jew? Based on whose teachings, whose writings are you saying that? Or is that only your own interpretation? It would be helpful to understand where you are coming from making such a sweeping declaration.

Thank you

Shiloh said...

God forbid Daisy. It is simply based on the Torah of Moshe where our rabbi's have misinterpreted scripture, plus adding to the Torah which is normative Judaism. Once Jews call upon the Name of God, the real pronounciation of the name as found in the Codex Aleppo of which the scribes forgot to redact is just one example (you will find it in the Talmud why they banned it and the cause of our prayers not being answered (due to not saying Gods name according to those same ones we follow today)) that will instantly move us towards the goal of Him returning to us.

Daisy, I am not against most of our tradition, just where we are straying from the Torah of Moshe. It's not my interpretation, but 10's of thousands of other Jews who have woken up too. A few simple corrections can put us back on the right path, but the most powerful Erev Rav will prevent this from occuring sadly and Jews continue to support and believe them.

Have a great week, hopefully we can unite, show the world we are the Priests we are to be and let God finish the task for us. Why do we always have to take the hard road?

DS said...


Very interesting. I'd like to hear more, what are your sources, your affiliations. Please specify where we can find more information on this interpretation. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Daisy: Shiloh comments everywhere to demonize Torah B'al Peh and does not accept the Talmud, etc. This is against Jewish teachings. He is either a Karaite or who knows. You will find his comments on many of the usual religious Jewish sites and is well known to the bloggers. He does not accept the Oral Torah which was given with our Written Torah at Sinai. He has been told off by many of the bloggers. So please be aware.

DS said...


Thank you for your warnings. I was associating the name Shiloh with the blog Shiloh muse, I guess they are two different entities.

What I'd like to know, though, is why are you both hiding behind anonymity? I am not afraid to state who I am. Who are you, Anonymous? It would be helpful to know where you are coming from too. If there was an issue of Pikuach Nefesh I would understand, but in this instance we are talking purely Hashkafah, there is no danger whatsoever. So why are you both hiding behind pseudonyms?



Shiloh said...

LOL, I certainly don't hide behind anything Daisy. Since I put the Tanach as scripture and everything else as commentary I go against the "tradition of men" (see Isaiah 29:13) The Torah is quite clear if one knows the truth and everyone goes against him or her, one MUST NOT follow the majority to Evil. Being Anon or following the sheep because tradition said so is ignorance at best. Since the Tanach is very clear what was given to Moshe, and NOT one mention of an Oral Torah, it actually teaches contrary to what the rabbi's have taught for the last 2200 years in enough cases to cause our continued exile. But believe as you wish, the last 2200 years is complete proof it has not worked and will continue not to work to reach our goal of the geulah. The Talmud is full of wisdom, but it too has error, this is what I am concerned with. If there is even 1% that goes against the will of God, then we need to pay attention. The Erev Rav have been very successful in leading us off the derech, even more so to convince the sheeple that if anyone goes against the rabbi's whom of which Daisy in her article shows they are the EREV RAV (Not all of course)is a kofer etc. As we go to the slaughter like blind sheep, go see how many rabbi's lead the way, instead they will bail faster then you can shake a stick at. Daisy, you want more info, Dov has my email.

Shiloh said...

You can go to karaite korner. Contact Nehemia Gordon for his upcoming book, breaking the silence of conspiracy. It's amazing how he will show any who will listen and check the sources that what we are missing. I am not affiliated with them at all, just a Tanach Jew.

DS said...
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DS said...


You will notice that in this article I TOOK BACK my statement that the rabbis are the Erev Rav, with an apology. I was basing this concept on the article about the Erev Rav I had posted, which by the way is not signed, so there is no way to know who wrote it. Before making such an accusation a person has to identify themselves, and the author of the article, which incidentally was scholarly and very well researched, did NOT identify him or herself. He or she might very well be you, for all I know, or somebody from your group. The reason I said what I said is because I noticed how the rabbis did form an association with the Erev Rav, in Gush Katif , and again in Givat Ha'Ulpana. But as I stated in thislatest article, I think there are other factors involved. Not only that, but many of those rabbis have an illustrious ancestry, and nowhere in the Torah does it state that the Erev Rav actually descends from David Hamelech, for instance, from whom some of those rabbis are descended.

So if there is at all an Erev Rav element here it is more spiritual than physical. Their behavior goes against what is best for Am Yisrael, but again, there could be many reasons for that, of which being "Erev Rav" is only one.

That does not minimize the gravity of their actions, though, in my opinion. But their miserable stance does NOT extrapolate to the Talmud, as you suggest, since many of our rabbis are or were extremely righteous, and paid with their lives for it, yet none of those stated what you state. So the bad behavior of those Mamlachti rabbis in no way incriminates the Mishna or the Gemara,as you suggest.

Re: the Names of Hashem, I have no opinion. Please give me a link to the specific chapter(s) in the Talmud. Thanks

DS said...

Such BS! And where was that meeting held? At Amana, of which Zambish is the head. Duh.....So let's try to figure this one out. Zambish is the leading figure of Amana, makes the decisions, gets the authorizations, handles the money, what else.... he is the conduit between settlers and the government, the go-between, it seems. And also one of the top people of the Yesha council. So why wouldn't they condemn slashing his tires, I ask you. Such BS, such nonsense, such lies.

Yesha Leaders Denounce Violence

Leaders of Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (Shomron) denounced "Price Tag" vandalism and other forms of violence, Sunday evening, at an emergency meeting of the Amana housing movement, held in the Samarian community of Amona. The meeting was called following last week's slashing of the tires of a vehicle belonging to Amana head Ze'ev Chever (Zambish) by activists in protest of the planned uprooting of 33 families living in the Ulpana neighborhood of nearby Beit El.

Citing Zambish for his efforts on behalf of the settlement enterprise, Chairman Gershon Mesika of the Samaria (Shomron) Regional Council called the attacks "grave and shameful". At the same time, he said that denouncement of violence should not stifle legitimate differences of opinion. Chairman Danny Dayan of the Yesha Council of Jewish communities in the region said, "Neither Obama nor Barak are the danger for the settlement enterprise. Violence and price tag are our danger in Judea and Samaria." He said he did not know if he would continue as chairman but if not, he would go from community to community to tell people that the path of violence can lead to the cause being lost.

DS said...

To Shiloh,

On some level I do understand what you are trying to say, and I agree. I agree that we are being misled, both by our so-called leaders and by our rabbis. The blind leading the blind, or in the case of the leaders, the corrupt leading the blind. Just read my previous comment, see what those up there in Yesha are saying, and you will see why there is absolutely no way we can agree. This is a case of black or white, we are going in polar opposite directions. The 'leaders', and that includes the Yesha rabbis, are doing everything they can to pacify the Erev Rav, Amalek within. I say we have to fight the Erev Rav. So who will prevail? Will they convince the majority of the settler population that passivity and surrender are the way to victory? I mean, isn't it a contradiction in terms? Yet they manage to say that and get people to listen to them. Quite unbelievable, and a testament to people's confusion of spirit, lack of spiritual clarity.

Let's not forget, however, that there is a whole other level of rabbis around, such as the Edah Chareidit, which does not agree with these wishy-washy rabbis who idolize the Medinah. Unfortunately these rabbis, who should get involved, refuse to do so. I don't understand why, really. Most of them are also bought, but some of them, such as Rav Moshe Sternbuch, is not. So how come he is not opening his mouth?

Shiloh said...

Hi Daisy, in my opinion those you hold as dear are part of the problem. This is why they don't get involved. I agree there are those who are part of the solution, but they are muzzled, why I cannot figure out unless the wicked Erev Rav have such a stronghold on them they are afraid. Probably so. I don't know what it will take to change the tide, I have suggested many things, but in all reality it may just be a waste of time. The rabbit hole is way too deep. Have a nice day.

DS said...


How do you know whom I hold as dear? Do you have a crystal ball?

DS said...

Barry said:

Same old tricks and same old Daisy is falling for them.

DS said...

SHmuel said:

Once the theatricals are over I will have to see construction of 300 units started immediately. Before the end of July.
Then I'll take back partially my views. Not any earlier.