A debate: was the Rabbi Uri Dasberg car accident only an accident, or was it deliberate murder by "you know who'??

 Yesterday I received the following e-mail conversation from one of our correspondents:

 C. writes to N.:

Dear N.,

DS was right when she told us who was the ENEMY.

Second time around....this time Rav Dasberg.

Those poor children.

Years back, when Ruth and Michael came to visit, they brought the book "Dvir."

My grandchildren continuosly keep reading the book....over and over again.

How sad.... what cruel people among us.

N. replies:

Rav Uri Dasberg lost control of the car.

It is of course always easier for the grief to believe Arabs did it but this time there is no way around:

it is the Jewish car that swerved off road and crashed into the Arab truck and not the opposite

I wish I could blame the Arab truck-

Anyway- it is  a terrible tragedy

M. added:

My friend working in Alon Shvut tells me the same story

So this is what I wrote back to C.:

"Very nice. Still, ask yourself, why did he lose control of the car: was he sick? Did the car have a malfunction? Or was there an extraneous element that forced him to lose control?

I have driven on that road countless times, and repeatedly  Arabs have tried to drive me off the road, either to the left or to the right . Only with G-d's help did I not collide with another vehicle so far. They do that for sport, N. could tell you that. What is easier than to follow an elderly gentleman in hot pursuit until he loses control? My landlady, B., lost a daughter in another so-called 'car accident'  of that nature years ago: some Arab threw a rock at her while she was driving, she lost control of the car, veered to the embankment, the car overturned, and her 12 year old daughter was killed.

Then consider that Barry's car was simply SABOTAGED twice, and only by miracle did he survive his car accident. After that he left the country for good..

So here, three ways in which Rabbi Dasberg could have lost control of his car.

Pending  medical confirmation that he suffered either a stroke, a heart attack, or some similar event while driving, or that he fell asleep at the wheel, or if there is proof that the car was defective, not sabotaged, I say, 'guilty until proven otherwise'. Too many rabbis have been killed in 'car accidents' in the recent past and earlier too. Too easy to let "them" off the hook this time. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... in addition there was a motive: the news media were full of stories of how "it's sad, but he was a right-wing extremist". And the fact that he and his wife apparently caused problems to the israeli gov. with their lawsuit against Hamas in the US, etc. is an additional factor. Then there is her and his heavy involvement in the settler movement. Not to mention the secret Oslo agreements that clearly demand the assassination of settler leaders. WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, a leader? Please review the post    " Again a rabbi..." , which I have updated with new information and links.

So I say, at the present time there is no proof of course, it will be very hard to prove , but it is very, very suspicious: there is a motive, there is a modus operandi, and there is a policy. What we need now is a private investigation to confirm or disprove my contention. Who will do it? I sure hope the family hires a private investigator to evaluate everything on the plate here."

I sent that discussion to a number of trusted friends, with a request that they give their honest opinion about it. So here are various responses to the debate about the Dasberg ' accident': was it an accident, or was it "terror", i.e. deliberate murder by the Israeli/other PTB? I think there is enough material here, enough evidence, enough smart thinking, to make it crystal clear that we are not dealing with isolated, unrelated incidents; the consensus is: this was a HIT too! There is a deliberate pattern that only the most obtuse or ideologically brainwashed person would fail to see. It seems the Dati-Leumi population fits in that last category. What will it take to open their eyes? How dumb can they be? Is there such a thing as acquired stupidity? After all, Jews are supposed to be pretty smart; whatever happened to our legendary brains, please tell me? How can a whole population be brainwashed to the extent that they refuse to see or hear the truth even when it is staring them in the face? Or....is it that the Hebrew media are not conveying this information properly? In which case I believe it is OUR duty, Anglos and other Western country immigrants, to do our utmost to open their eyes. After all, how can there be change without first awareness of the problem? So it appears that the Dasberg 'accident' might fit perfectly in the general picture: all we need to do is connect the dots and find the missing evidence.

However, there is one, important, dissenting opinion. In this particular case - Rabbi Dasberg - there may be truth to it after all. Still, it doesn't negate the overall pattern, which is very clear, and repeats itself over and over and over.

Please refer back to the following posts in order to get the full picture:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/05/again-rabbi-again-family-twice.html

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/04/pointing-finger-at-amalek-within-israel.html

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/important-re-car-accidents-update-as.html
 

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/04/moshe-feiglins-change-of-heart-what-was.html

See also the newest video here:


http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/06/barry-chamish-go-against-oslo-get.html

Shabbat Shalom

DS


From David:

I have a very strong feeling you are right.

I have been speaking about it several times .

What can be done about it ?

I have also taken those roads many times.

and

I do know for sure they did have survivors of terror stricken families on their HIT LISTs.

For the simple reason that the effect is horrifying.

A LA GUERRE COMME A LA GUERRE

David Pisanti.

From SW:

It is very unlikely that considering all facts known "accidents" are actually so.

Lets not forget that Moshe Feiglin's son also got "accidented".

There are too many such things to chalk it up to circumstantial.

But I would not only fill the suspects line up with local official agents. I would suggest to include in the list of suspects rabid unJews with experience in murdering opponents, foreign Secret Services supported or assigned operatives, etc.

PS:  Remember my report supported by a police file that got "buried"?

Two uniformed types tried to "accident" me as well.
 ......

It is really tragic how we seem unable to understand risk, danger, ill intent, evidence even if that glares at us right in front of us.  And we cannot hate and plan to destroy our declared enemies.

The JINO's, Jews in name only or AKA unJews, understand that and mercilessly work to harm Jews and Jewish Heritage.

We as a people need to learn the rules of survival and that does not mean squeak a few survivors out of massacres.  It means learn to identify enemies and work to destroy them.


 From Jack:

I have not kept track but at one time, 3% of all people killed in the Oslo War (the war of terrorism following the Oslo accord) were specifically rabbis living in Yesh'a. All the Jewish inhabitants of Yesh'a were 3% of the population and if you add leaders in Yesh'a who were not rabbis, the percentage is even higher. So many of them have obviously been authorized hits, directed by the Yevsektsia (the mahkeqet hayehudit -- direct translation from the Russian name of the Jewish Section of the old NKVD) that I think it's stupid not to assume that all such incidents are. Another rabbi? A second hit on the same family? I don't even know how often that happens but it is often enough that one can't help noticing when it happens again and again and again. This is a civil war being fought by one side only, using "Palestinian" proxy warriors. Our side will not catch on.

From Anonymous:

Today I saw in Makor Rishon that Rabbi dasberg had returned on that same morning from a trip abroad (they are a Jewish Dutch family).

so I tend to think that this was a stroke or a blood clott or something like that.

The son of my family's friends died the same way, he returned in the morning from an overseas trip, rather than taking a day of rest he, like Rabbi Dasberg decided to go to work and his car crashed into a wall near Tel Aviv.

So maybe it was an accident.

From Moshe:

this is truly sick... perhaps this will help... ask your readers the following... what are the chances that these many rabbis or their family members or mks or their family members could be involved in sudden illnesses or traffic accidents over the course of let's say just the past 5 yrs alone...? what are the odds that this all happened randomly in one community of the yesha residents...?

they are being targetted plain and simple... anyone who does not realize the truth of this is either blind or willingly blind... the chances that all of this is just by mere coincidence are staggering... off-the-charts staggering... there are no numbers to utilize to put this in a rational perspective... the mathematical equation required to demonstrate this and attribute this... to chalk it up to being by sheer accident is way way out there on this one... and this is what people should be focusing upon... the leaders (lay and rabbinic) of the opposition to oslo are all being systematically attacked... this is not by chance... this is by design... and all who fail to see this are either ignorant, petrified or complicit... mosh.out...

.

From Barry:

                                                

THEY'RE KILLING THE ORTHODOX OF ISRAEL

by Barry Chamish

       Another sad call from Israel. The lady lets me know that Rina Kushland was stabbed in the liver. After three operations she was going to pull through. But because Rina is a hareidi lady there was no publicity and the police aren't seeking her assailants. Rina was my brave partner in protest. She stood by me at Rabin's 10th anniversary rally, passing out those explosive flyers. A few days later, I drove her from the Netanya rally to her home in Kiryat Sefer. Unfortunately there were two flat tires arranged for me and she got home in a tow truck.
       But war has been declared on the religious and especially those fighting for their homes. Rina was just a lovely victim. Look what happened to the religious from Jan.19 - Jan. 29:
       Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg was the first to suffer from an errant car. It veered off the road and killed his grandson. Rav Ginsburg is a Chabad firebrand, arrested falsely after the Rabin murder as an indirect conspirator. Lately he put up a highly unpopular yeshivah in the Frankist capital of Ramat Aviv Gimel.
      The last accident was to the son of Rabbi Moti Elon. His family includes the hapless Margalit Har Shefi, set up to be a conspirator in the Rabin murder. She has not returned to full humanity since her 9 month prison term.
       Strange that both asterisks in the Rabin murder fiasco suffered such similar losses. But they were the start of the strange political revenge taking place against their people. Ami Popper killed seven Arabs. He is married to the sister of the Kahane Chai thinker Lenny Goldberg and fathered three children on his furloughs. We can only guess that he was hypnotized to drive a car without a license and swerve it into traffic north of Eilat, killing his wife and two sons. The Arabs had long wanted their vengeance against Popper and the Prison Services, we surmise, decided to pitch in.
       The Eilat killing ground worked out so well because just six days earlier, a truck driver for reasons unfathomable to his interrogators, switched lanes at the last second and smashed into a van full of prominent Chabad youth. Two of the three dead were the sons of learning institute directors.
       Now me, for a passing moment. I ran from  Israel last May when a car appeared from nowhere and smacked into my door full speed. I was invited to an Independence Day party outside Modiin by a lady who later sent me an insane letter from Hadassah Hospital:

"why didnt you take me seriously
barry
i am carrying on your legacy
not the way you did of course
i dont have your qualifactions
i have a tambourine"


        My friend Baruch called from Israel. He spoke to my lawyer and my insurance company. Both insisted they can't go on because the police won't release my accident report.
        But today, all is different. Every victim is orthodox. On Jan.27, in Ramat Bet Shemesh, a Hareidi woman was found dead in a field. She was snatched and buried before we knew what killed her.
        There is murder in the Knesset! We know Ariel Sharon shared tea with Shimon Peres in the Knesset on Dec.18/05 and then suffered a stroke. This time orthodox politician Nisim Zeev took a sip of water from the table of the Knesset Foreign Affairs Committee. He immediately vomited and then passed out. At Hadassah Hospital, poison was found in goodly amounts throughout his body.
        "I was poisoned," he exclaimed...
        In Israel's final solution to the religious problem, I add.                  

                                

**

18:40 Jan-28-07 / 9 Shevat 5767

IsraelNN.com) An external physical examination carried out on a haredi-religious woman in Hadassah Ein Karem Hospital has ruled out foul play. The body has been taken to burial.
The woman's body had been found Saturday in a field near her home in Ramat Beit Shemesh, not far from Jerusalem. Members of the haredi-religious community whisked her body away and hid it from police, for fear an autopsy would be carried out. Post-mortem surgery is contrary to Jewish orthodox law.
The external examination of the body was the product of a compromise reached between haredi-religious rabbis and the police.

**

The son of R. Moti Elon was seriously injured in a car accident a number of hrs. ago

In the light of his difficult situation he has had a name added and the Rav requests to inform people

MK Ze'ev: Someone Poisoned Me
16:40 Jan 24, '07 / 5 Shevat 5767

(IsraelNN.com) MK Nisim Ze'ev (Shas) felt ill Wednesday after drinking water during a parliamentary committee session, and suspects he was poisoned. Ze'ev drank several sips of water from a thermos placed on the table during a meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Security Committee, when he felt ill and dizzy and began vomiting. "I immediately told the committee chairman that there had been an attempt to poison me and that someone needs to investigate if there was an attempt to poison the committee members," Ze'ev told Ynet.
Ze'ev was whisked away from the Knesset by an ambulance. He says the initial tests showed a high level of poisonous materials in his body.
Four officers from the Police Criminal Detection Laboratory came to the Knesset and took...


Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:29 +0200

Yediot Ahronot, in its third editorial, refers to a recent case in which a mass murderer, who was out of prison on furlough, caused a deadly traffic accident en route to a holiday in Eilat with his family, and criticizes the fact that he was allowed out of prison at all.

*
19/12/06
R-L) Hatomim Yonatan Biton A滴, Hatomim Moshe Golan A禰 and the Tomim Levi Hendel A"H.
The tidings of the tragic event in Eilat has shocked and bewildered Chabad communities in Israel, shocked at the results of the fatal accident claiming the lives of three Chabad bochrim on their way to mivtzaim in Eilat. Additionally, four other bochrim were hurt at the Tsichor - Eilat intersection. One of the injured bochrim was flown to the Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva and had managed to speak to his parents before he was operated on.

DETAILS OF THE CASUALTIES:

THE TOMIM LEVI HENDEL, A'H, OF MIGDAL HAEMEK, 14 YEARS OLD, STUDENT OF SHIUR ALEPH OF TOMCHEI TEMIMIM IN LOD, SON OF RABBI YISROEL YOSEF HENDEL, RABBI OF THE CHABAD COMMUNITY OF MIGDAL HAEMEK. HIS LIVAYA IS TAKING PLACE TOMORROW IN MIGDAL HAEMEK.

THE TOMIM YONATAN BITON, A'H, OF ASHKELON, 17 YEARS OLD, STUDENT OF TOMCHEI TEMIMIM IN KIRYAT GAT. YONATAN,A'H, AN DHIS FAMILY ARE PART OF ANASH IN ASHKELON. HE WAS A FORMER STUDENT OF CHABAD INSTITUTES: TOMCHEI TEMIMIM OF NACHALAS HAR CHABAD AND TOMCHEI TEMIMIM OF LOD AND OF KIRYAT GAT.

THE TOMIM MOSHE GOLA, A'H, OF YERUSHALAYIM, 17 YEARS OF AGE AND STUDENT OF SHIUR ALEPH OF THE TOMCHEI TEMIMIM YESHIVA OF KIRYAT GAT, SON OF MRS. DANIELA GOLAN, DIRECTOR OF THE 'OR CHAYA' ACADEMY IN YERUSHALAYIM. HIS LIVAYA WILL SET OUT AT 11:00 O'CLOCK FROM THE SHAMGAR BURIAL HOME IN YERUSHALAYIM

Again a rabbi. Again a family twice victimized. Yes, I am repeating myself; but this NEEDS repeating, as most people don't want to hear, don't want to know: WHO is really killing us?

What a nice, truthful, uncompromising person he appears to be: too good to be allowed to continue his work?

Three Dead as Arab Truck Hits Israeli Vehicle

Iyar 20, 5771, 24 May 11 08:55

by David Lev

(Israelnationalnews.com) Three Israeli residents of Gush Etzion were killed Tuesday evening when their vehicle slammed into a truck driven by an Arab. The crash occurred on Route 60 between Neve Daniel and Elazar in Gush Etzion. Two were killed in the crash and the third victim, in a third vehicle, was critically injured, and died at Hadassah Ein-Kerem Hospital in Jerusalem.

Two of the victims, who died at the site of the crash, were Rabbi Uri Dasberg, 65, of Alon Shvut, and Yocheved Altushler, 55, of Elazar. The families of the victims have been notified. Rabbi Dassberg's funeral will take place Wednesday at 11 AM in Gush Etzion.
The third victim,  a Gush Etzion resident in her 50s, died after being taken for treatment at Hadassah Ein-Kerem Hospital in Jerusalem. Magen David Adom workers who arrived on the scene said that the vehicle driven by the couple had been “completely destroyed.” One of the victims was killed instantly, rescue workers said, while the second succumbed as the workers were trying to administer CPR.

The Arab truck driver was moderately injured in the crash. He was taken for treatment to a hospital in Hevron by a Red Crescent ambulance.

Police have opened an investigation into the circumstances of the crash. Initial investigations show that the vehicle in which the couple were riding had crossed over into opposing traffic, although it is not clear why.
Arab drivers, especially of trucks and other heavy vehicles, have many times in the past been involved in what police call “planned crashes,” where they hit smaller Israeli vehicles on purpose, with an aim to killing or maiming Jews, knowing that their chances of serious injury are minimal. It is not known yet if this was such an incident.
Rabbi Dasberg was the father of Effie Unger, murdered with her husband by terrorists in 1996 as they were driving home near Beit Shemesh in their car. The young couple left two infants, who were raised by Rabbi Dasberg and his wife, Yehudit.
Rabbi Dasberg was a member of the Tzomet Institute in Alon Shvut, best known for its work in applying halachic principles to the use of technology in modern society. Tzomet has developed a number of devices for use in the medical area that can be used on Shabbat without violating Jewish law, among them the “Shabbat phone,” which allows doctors, dangerously ill patients, and hospital staff to easily communicate on Shabbat.

Rabbi Dasberg was co-editor of Tzomet's premier publication, Techumin, which discusses issues of technology and modernization in light of Jewish law, as well as halachic aspects of modern defense, economy, law, and science.

Comments:

• See the link below, and all such related posts, for reference.

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/04/pointing-finger-at-amalek-within-israel.html

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/06/important-re-car-accidents-update-as.html
 

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/04/moshe-feiglins-change-of-heart-what-was.html

•  SW. said:

We all know that the beasts use trucks and other vehicles to cause death intentionally.

The problem is the poison dwarf, Baraj and the Peresitic infestation.

They have to be harshly removed and sent to courts, new courts.

Then execute all of the islamic beasts found guilty of killing Jews.

BTW: I am quite convinced that the islamic excrement receives intelligence from israeli specialists.

• Moshe said:

staged terrorism once again... need to find the reason they were targeted but this "accident" has shimon peres' and ehud barak's bloody hands all over it... mosh.out...

• From Women in Green:

To dear Yehudit Dasberg and the entire Dasberg family,

Women for Israel's Tomorrow (Women in Green) mourn together with the rest of Am Yisrael the terrible loss of Uri z"l to the People and the Land.

Rabbi Uri z"l, together with Yehudit, may she merit long life, are among the pillars of the Jewish settlement enterprise in Judea and Samaria- they never tire, always initiate and encourage. Their active participation in our activities in Netzer and Shdema gave us tremendous strength and chizuk.

May we all be comforted in the building of Erets Israel

Yehudit Katsover and Nadia Matar in the name of all the Women in Green family

Attached are 2 pictures of Rabbi Uri z"l giving a lecture in Netzer

 

• From Anonymous:

 Rabbi Dasberg who was killed sued [according to Wikipedia] the Hamas and the Palestinian Authority at the American courts and won (for the murder of his daughter and son in law whose children he raised); he was a man of tremendous moral and religious stature, a great loss.

"...Mrs. Dasberg explained, "The United States allows for punitive damages, but here in Israel, one can sue only for the direct harm that was caused. There is no such thing as awarding punitive damages, such that whatever small sum we would win would be taken off our National Insurance payments and that would be the end of it. This means that the Israeli government does not punish the PA, and in fact relates to the PA as a retarded child - granting it only privileges, but demanding no obligations and no responsibility for its actions. The Americans have found the way to punish them - money - while our government has not yet understood this, so we'll 'help' them understand this message.""

• See also:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/05/debate-was-rabbi-uri-dasberg-car.html

• And the latest video here:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2011/06/barry-chamish-go-against-oslo-get.html

• Photo from Vosisneias; Funeral of Rabbi Dasberg

I feel bad for the beautiful country of Greece, raped by Rome. Yes, Rome: Rome, Germany, the NWO, are all one and the same. Who is next?

by zuuuueri
on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 18:06
#1300586

well, to make a long story short, the reality of the common man in greece is
that he is being bled dry.
Aside from the politically connected few, people tend to work hard and get very little money for it. A few exceptions exist, which of course get tons of attention- the public sector , for the most part, doesn't do jack shit, but the salaries there are pathetically small as well.
There are a few strong unions in the private sector which also pull several times the
average income of the typical working man, and they get a lot of attention too.
You'd think that everyone in greece was working one of those cushy jobs, but
of course, the truth is that very few do.

In the urban scene, most people under the age of 35 are lucky if they get some
job that's technically part time, but sometimes might offer the chance to work 50-60 hour
weeks just so that the boss renews thier contract. These people might make 800 euros a month, and if theyre lucky maybe get up to about 900. breaking a thousand a month is
out of reach for most.

For the majority of the public sector flunkies, similar salaries prevail-
most of them are in the 1000 a month range.

there is a small slice of people, private and public sector, who have
worked their way through this 800-1000 euros barrier and either by
playing office politics (public sector) or busting their asses (private sector)
manage to pull in between 2 and 3k a month. They are usually aware that
they got where they are by their own ability and they are often very
aware that while they are comfortable, they are not in the actually
wealthy class. There are a lot of yuppy types in this segment, sadly,
being told by foriegn television what they should want.

Like the americans who make six digits but have negative net worth,
about half of the people in this middle class in greece fell for the
consumer fantasy, so they are in debt and basically fucked. The
other half are a bit more responsible and often had a lot of savings,
maybe in some rental property, maybe more recently in the banking
system. Those people, represent wealth yet to be robbed, so
they _will_ be fucked, just as soon as someone get around to ripping
them off one way or another.

In the cities, supermarkets and all sorts of things are controlled by
cartels, mostly foriegn owned now. It's cheaper to buy greek products in a
supermarket in germany where there is competition, than the same products in a
supermarket in greece, owned by the same parent company as the german one.. why?
partly because they can.

The self-employed are doubly screwed. Most business in greece is still under the shadow of
this medieval system of concessions and monopolies farmed out by politicians to their cronies or friends or maybe if they owe someone a favor. As a small
independent (almost always just a family business, because to hire
someone outside of the family is a sure way to bankrupt such
a fragile venture), not only are there heavy taxes to deal with (comparable
to western europe), but there is an immense bureacracy set up
partly to obstruct anyone from competing with these politically connected
shitheads. Lets not forget how corrupt folks like tax inspectors are.
They will size you up to get a feel for just how much they can squeeze
out of you, then make up some kind of numbers from pure fantasy,
just to force you to cut a deal with them.

so, you have to deal with that shit, then you have to deal with the mountain of
permits, paperwork, etc, all opportunities not so much even for
bribes to be collected by the people in the machinery, but to force you
to, in a sense, pay into the franchise of the bigshot who owns the
monopoly on whatever the hell is is youre trying to do. you can even
bribe officials , etc, but if you fail to pay into the bigshot's syndicate,
then you'll be busted for bribing an official, or something.

At least this shitty system is so far not enforced so much by thugs as it is by
courts and sheer paperwork.

If you have any money left over to support your family, well, you are lucky.

There are 'closed professions' like civil engineers, lawyers, etc, where
you have to somehow get a license from someone who already has one - inherit one or buy it - and those guys, along with the services they sell, often name their price.

curiously doctors are not a closed profession- full on competition, and
private sector cash-customer healthcare costs are actually affordable,
though maybe not if you're one of the poor SOBs making 800 euros a month.

smart, capable, ambitious people, if they dont have any real ties , family
reasons, etc, to stay in greece, usually leave to find work abroad, paying 5x what
they could get in greece. almost all of them would wish they could stay in greece,
but they are so fed up with this shitty system, and the lack of oppurtunities,
that they give up and move away.

the actually rich people? the politically connected, or folks who were positioned well
and making money from back in the days when there was a healthier economy (like, in the 70s), those guys are living in another world entirely. Some of them are well off because of
actual genuine hard work, but the majority of them got their money from
the corrupt machinery of power. They're obviously not going to give
it back, and theyre obviously not going to squeeze themselves to
pay off a government bond, either.

There is a humongous gap between 30 years odl and 40 years old
in greece. people younger than early 30s know the system is full of
shit, they have no confidence at all that it works or will keep any
promises, they see all politicians as lying scumbags, and for the most
part they know the thing is falling apart around them. They are
largely not inclined to violence, either.  The demonstrations, etc,
you see, are _so far_ organized. There was always a small hooligan
element in , big surprise, spoiled middle class kids, who would go
make some trouble to stick it to 'the man' (their parents, usually
in the middle class i mentioned), break some shit, spray some graffiti,
and then hang out in a cafe and brag to each other and on facebook
how they were resisting being oppressed.
That was a common formula for a friday night around the university.
Someone would then call the cops, the cops would show up, they'd
all go through the drill, chase the kids for a few blocks , and then go home.
the kids would then, go hang out and brag about how they were
resisting being oppressed by cops.

and every so often this might culminate in the recreational torching of
a macdo or maybe a foriegn bank.

The demonstrations are not usually those kids, because demonstrations
aren't just a thing on the whim of the moment some friday night...
most of the demonstrations are organized by unions and political parties,
mostly, so far, on the left, and mostly they are about people bitching
and moaning to protect some bit of their share of the gravy train.
yes, sometimes it does get out of hand.

when the actual hard working sucker making 800 a month gets
pissed enough to start smashing things, look out, because the whole
country would go up in flames. As these people are increasingly
unemployed, some of the tension in the streets is beginning to be
genuine and not just organized. This is not organized by any parties,
though there is a growing awareness that the huge about of illegals
in the country working the bottom-rung below minimum wage jobs
are there to drive down the price of labor at the low end, and i would
expect to see more tension between them (also now out of work in
large numbers, but not yet leaving the country in large numbers) and
unemployed greeks.


The attitude in the country has changed immensely in the past year
or two. everyone, whether he's a 'worker' making 800 a month
or whether he's a small time self-employed businessman or a farmer
or whatever, knows that the system is hopelessly corrupt, cannot be fixed,
and is bleeding them dry to pay for it all, while behind them the banks
loaned fantasy printing press money to them with the premeditated goal of foreclosing on them anyway.. and they almost all agree that the main goal of the euro is
to allow Germany to dominate the rest of Europe, and that it's a bad deal for Greece. almost everyone who doesnt directly depend on the
status quo knows and says this, and they are all just waiting for
the moment when it breaks. Announcing default is what that means for
a lot of them.

Greek police will go on strike if they are ordered to really use force
to control the population- the violence you see so far is mild compared to other
countries and , really, genuinely, the police in Greece are up and down
the ranks , not trained, indoctrinated, or expected to employ force against
the population. When two years ago a cop shot a kid in a demonstration,
even though the court found that he fired in self defence, the cop
went to jail for murder. You don't find cops brought to account like
this in other countries either. This does not put a smile on the faces of the
empire-builders, but they can't change it overnight either.

the army? if the army was ordered to use force against the population...
the army would probably gently assist the government in abdicating, like what
happened in egypt recently.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/here-what-happens-after-greece-defaults

Time for a break!

B"H

Dear Readers,

Today is May 11. Last year, May 12, 2010, I started counting visits to this blog. As of tonight, 11:11 PM, -May 11, 2011 - 11-5/11-11:11, I am counting 50,475 visits from 170 countries. Not bad, but could be better.

I think in this past year I have shared my information and message with you sufficiently, dear readers, for you to access the general ideas any time you wish. I have written thousands of articles since the beginning of this blog, December 2007. Many, many topics and labels are yours for the reading and researching. It is time for a break for me; I hope to write a book in the near future, and I need time off.

For the time being, if I post something once in a while, it will be a bonus, and only things that I absolutely cannot avoid, and which cannot be accessed anywhere else.

When the time is right, I will return, God willing.

Meanwhile, I hope you gained from ISRAEL TRUTH TIMES; I sure have gained a lot.

All the best, Kol Tuv, and HASTA LA VISTA!

DS

DID YOU BUY THE FRAUD?? Just in case you do believe the Bin Laden circus force-fed to you by the media, - 24 hr. TV programming, full front-page props everywhere - see below.....

Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack
Paul Joseph Watson
May 4, 2011

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.
“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.
“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.
Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”
Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”
Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.
“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.
“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.
“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.
Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”
Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.
http://gregoryfegel.sulekha.com/blog/post/2011/05/former-u-s-deputy-assistant-secretary-of-state-says.htm

Article contributed by C.H; thank you.

P.S. : there are question marks regarding the allegiance and veracity of the author of the above article . Some hold that he too is an agent of the Vatican, which is playing both sides of the story - more on that later. However, even if you don't believe the exact details of this specific account, there are enough other sources available to corroborate the fact that Bin Ladin died in December of 2001, the most accepted version being that he died of natural causes, specifically of kidney disease. 

For more sources of information, please see these:

• http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/05/white-house-we-lied-first-time.html
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9uB64ghcq8&feature=related
• http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/59.html
• ttp://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2009/12/about-bin-laden-had-you-heard-whole.html
• http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-interesting-according-to-benazir_29.html

... and other "Bin Laden" posts on this blog.

UPDATE:

Here is another pearl for you:

Even evil IRAN knows about the Bin Laden fraud! How many people is this ridiculous propaganda fooling, please tell me? I sure hope you are not one of them.

Iran: Bin-Laden Died of Disease before US Attack

Iyar 5, 5771, 09 May 11 12:09

(Israelnationalnews.com) Iranian Intelligence Minister Haidar Mouslehi said Sunday that Al-Qaeda terror leader Osama Bin-Laden died long before last week's announced attack by the United States.
Mouslehi said, "We have accurate information that he died of a disease some time ago." He added that if the US had killed Bin-Laden, it would have had to show his body to the world and not throw it into the sea. He added, "The White House publicized this lie to minimize the importance of the awakening in the area."

... And just for reference about the veracity of the media in general, please read this recent post, which says it all:

Post-Pessach musings: Israel and the media, media bias, and what we should do about it. Even Israelis are starting to wake up... could it be???

Always good to remember who's who. Today's who's who: Shimon Peres - by Barry Chamish.... in case you forgot.

                             

                                MR. POPULARITY AT ISRAEL'S GHOST DANCE
                                                                                   by Barry Chamish

        In a ghastly poll of the Israeli people, Haaretz has determined that the winner by several lengths of the most popular politician race is the ever noble king of the ball, Pres. Shimon Peres.

"Out of 16 senior public figures, Peres was by far the favorite politician in a poll conducted for Ha'aretz by Dialog. Support for Peres came from all groups: religious and non-religious, ultra-Orthodox and immigrants from the former Soviet Union," according to a new Haaretz poll.
< http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-s-eldest-statesmen-p eres-is-also-its-most-popular-1.357114>
 
        Has all my work been for nothing? Have I wasted my life? No, no it can't be that. It's so much simpler. Israelis are self-destructive idiots lacking even a teensy drop of rationality. Yes, that must be the explanation.
        So far, only one other writer shares my wonder, David Isaac. But he is stuck in the Peres brought us Oslo mode and misses the full picture:
          
"There are more out than in." That was the favorite remark of this
writer's high school Latin teacher. What he meant was that there are
more crazies outside the asylum than inside. He was proven correct
once again with the results of a recent Ha'aretz poll that showed
that Israel's President Shimon Peres is the country's most popular
public figure.Shimon Peres is the chief architect of the Oslo Accords, the plan
which ceded large tracts of Israeli territory to Yasser Arafat, "the
father of modern terror." The ensuing chaos, easily predictable to
those who don't belong in a mental institution, resulted in the
murder of thousands of Israelis and the reinvigoration of Israel's
enemies who were inspired once more with hope that Israel could
indeed be destroyed.

          To fill the gap, I have compiled a short list of Peres' crass criminality to prove Israelis are nuts. Before arriving at mass murderer of his people, we'll start easy; Peres is a paid agent of the Vatican. As we all know, Peres was initially left out of the Oslo negotiations. When he discovered this great new diplomacy, he wanted in. So, as Foreign Minister, he sent the pope a proposal for the Vatican to take over stewardship of East Jerusalem and agreeing to a PLO capital within its entity. This highly proven fact is not understood by any Israeli. The
closest to getting it is Jacob Gurewich in his book, The Enemy Within.
          Gurewich spends a good chunk of the book exposing the Vatican's deadly interference in Jewish survival, and in doing so has provided enough evidence to stop the inevitable canonization of pope John Paul II. However, the conclusion on Peres' role in the Vatican's relentless attack on Jews and Israel is weak: "No wonder that a villain such as Shimon Peres...handed over to Pope John Paul II on a silver platter the evil idea to internationalize Jerusalem."
           Bad news Jacob. There is much more. Peres spent his career offering Jerusalem to anyone who would take it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&ncid=586&e=3&u=/nm/20030722/wl_nm/mideast_jerusalem_dc
Peres Raises 'World Capital' Solution for Jerusalem
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Shimon Peres, the head of Israel's opposition Labor Party, has suggested resolving Israeli-Palestinian conflict over Jerusalem by putting its holy sites under U.N. stewardship, a spokesman said Tuesday.
His plan calls for declaring a holy area of sites sacred to Jews, Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem's old walled city as a "world capital," with the U.N. Secretary-General serving as mayor.

             We'll return to Jacob Gurewich shortly, but first let's chronicle Peres' insanity from my files. Write me if you want any of the full articles, or better, get my books. Let's begin with what Peres will do to gain power, like setting off criminal scandals to get presidents Weizman and Katsav out of the office he so revered. In Peres world that's all in a day's work. But did you know he bribed the Nobel Committee to get his prize?

Last week, Yoav Yitzhak, in the wide circulation newspaper Maariv, revealed that Peres gave Terje Larsen, the UN Middle East representative, $100,000 to secure him a Nobel Prize.
This week, David Bedein, writing in Makor Rishon, applied the coup de grace. He interviewed a member of the Nobel Prize Committee, Kaare Kristiansen, who not just confirmed the bribe but described Larsen's pressure on the committee in full detail.

             And how many Israelis know that in 1984 Prime Minister Peres read the info provided by spy Jonathan Pollard with his morning coffee? He turned a one-time American arms for hostages operation into a mafia industry that came within a hair's breadth of bringing down the Republican administration. Forget what he did to Pollard, he cost us American conservative sympathy. The result was Bush number one forcing Rabin into Oslo in 1993. But once Oslo got the PLO moving back to Israel, Peres made sure they were able to kill the maximum number of Jews, ideally settlers:

We jump ahead to Barak's regime and a ridiculously underlooked item which appeared throughout the Israeli media. Barak's Regional Affairs Minister Shimon Peres and the CIA's resident spy, George Tenet had come to a little agreement: Peres assented to the PLO sending 40 "policemen" for an advanced CIA marksmanship course in Virginia.

            We turn now to the juicy topic of PERES - SERIAL MURDERER. I filtered my files to bring you barely a few of his celebrated political murders. There are many more.
            In 1995, Shimon Peres oversaw the Rabin assassination with his chosen bodyguard, Yoram Rubin, pulling trigger.
            In 2005, Prime Minister Sharon shared tea with Peres in the Knesset. A half hour later he had a stroke and was accompanied to the hospital by Yoram Rubin.
            In 2001, Rehavam Zeevi threatened to resign unless Sharon fired Shimon Peres as Foreign Minister and provided real IDF protection for Hebron's Jews. Sharon refused and Zeevi quit. He was gunned down just hours before he was to deliver his Knesset speech exposing Peres before resigning from the government.
            Then on Friday, December 18, 2002; Wayne Owens, 65, a Utah Democrat who had represented Salt Lake City in the House of Representatives for eight years and who was a founder of Washington's Center for Middle East Peace and Economic Cooperation, was found dead on a beach in Tel Aviv. The reason for his trip was to put an end to the corruption of the Peres Peace Center. His last meeting was with Peres' envoy, Avi Gil.

            In 2005, the chief Sephardic rabbi, Shlomo Amar, announced that he would declare the upcoming evacuation of Gaza's Jews as a sin, thereby turning half the country into opponents of the plan. This Shimon would not allow so, enthusiastically and personally, he led the vicious mugging of the Amar family:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3087363,00.html

Mrs. Amar told investigators that she had been in the kitchen of her apartment at the time the alleged events took place. She said she only heard what happened the next day from another daughter, who in turn had been told by Ayala.
Mrs. Amar said she failed to tell her husband what happened because she did not want to get him involved. But it would appear she did know about the incident.
Despite her claim to investigators to have only had passing contact with Meir, her son visited her a second time just two days later together with Labor Party leader Shimon Peres.
According to Ayala, her brother threatened her with a knife, saying he could kill her "with one stab."

            In 1952, Israel's prime minister Moshe Sharett said of Peres, "I utterly reject Peres and see his ascendance as the most malignant form of political corruption. It will be a cause of national mourning if Peres becomes a minister of government for Israel." It is commonly understood that the statement was made because Sharett viewed Peres' operation against the Sephardim with utter disgust.
            You have to wonder how many Rabin mourners voted Peres their fabulous favorite as most popular politician. Or how many Sephardic Jews voted for him. Or how he gets away with even his most blatant felonies. And the next section must be MASS MURDERER because in the fifties, Atomic Energy Commission czar Peres brought in American army x-ray machines and blasted every Sephardic child with hundreds of times the legal limit of gamma rays through their brains. If you voted Peres Mr. Popularity, I'd go on You Tube and look up the documentary, The Ringworm Children, for confirmation. But it's too late, your vote will still count. Nonetheless, you'll finally figure out that your winning candidate for popularity was the leader of a horrid experiment which led to 6000 dead in two years. If you count the 4500 mostly Yemenite children kidnapped by the government, Peres murdered over 10,000 "inferior" Jews and crippled another 100,000 for life.
            And the newly popular Peres wants to get back to his old atomic days but this time to shut down the nuclear nightmare he created. Jacob Gurewich tells us that:

Peres revealed a hidden secret to Clinton. "It's no secret that Ben-Gurion handed me the post to establish the Israel Atomic Energy Commission and to found the Center For Nuclear Research at Dimona. My aim is to control the IAEC again.

            At least and at last, Pres. Peres has found popularity, his fondest dream. His fingers won't sully the atomic trigger ever again.