ISRAEL TRUTH TIMES

A blog dedicated to investigating events as they occur in Judea and Samaria, in Israel and in the world, and as they relate to global powers and/or to the Israeli government, public figures, etc. It is dedicated to uncovering the truth behind the headlines; and in so doing, it strives to do its part in saving Judea and Samaria, and by extension, Israel and the Jewish People, from utter destruction at the hands of its many external and internal enemies.

Sunday, August 2, 2009

About American universities as "Terror Training Grounds", by Caroline Glick.




Terror Training Grounds

By: Caroline B. Glick

Date: Wednesday, July 29 2009
http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/40254

   For ten years Bernardine Dohrn was a terrorist fugitive on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List. Now she's a law professor at Northwestern University Law School where she teaches a course on law and the Palestinian conflict with Israel.
 
   During her time as co-commander of the Weather Underground terrorist organization with her husband, education professor William Ayres, the group committed some sixteen bombings. Among its targets were the State Department, the New York Queens Courthouse, military recruiting offices in Brooklyn and the home of New York Supreme Court Justice John Murtagh while Murtagh was asleep at home with his wife and children.
 
   Dohrn, her husband and their colleagues emerged from hiding in 1980 when terror charges against them were dropped due to a technicality. None of them ever served hard time for their crimes. Neither Dohrn - whom FBI director J. Edgar Hoover once referred to as "the most dangerous woman in America" - nor Ayres ever expressed the slightest remorse for their actions.
 
   Indeed, in a 1998 interview with ABC News, Dohrn said that looking back on her career as a terrorist, her only regret was that she hadn't committed more attacks. As she put it, "We'd do it again. I wish we had done more. I wish we had been more militant."
 
   But then, those who cannot do teach. And now Dohrn is passing on her knowledge of terrorism to a new generation of students through her seminar on Palestinian terrorists.
 
   Dohrn is no newcomer to the subject. In 1974, together with her fellow Weather Underground terrorist colleagues, she published a book called Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism. As the David Horowitz Freedom Center's Discoverthenetworks.org website makes clear, Prairie Fire was the Weather Underground's declaration of war against the United States. Among other things, it asserts, "Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside."
 
   Dohrn and her co-authors dedicated their book to the Who's Who of the terrorist murderers club. Among their honorees was Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian terrorist who murdered Robert F. Kennedy. No doubt, for Dohrn, the unapologetic terrorist, teaching a course on the Palestinian terror war against Israel is like closing a circle.
 
   Dohrn's class is notable because it is likely the only current instance in a U.S. university where a formerly active terrorist is teaching a class about terrorists. But by paying a someone like Dohrn to teach a course on terrorists, Northwestern is not pushing the envelope very far along. In universities - both major and minor - throughout the U.S., supporters of Palestinian terrorists are teaching American students the history, sociology, politics, law and culture of the Arab and Islamic world's war against Israel. The fact that the narrative they teach has little to no connection to historic truth or to objective, measurable reality is of no interest to anyone.
 
   Well, actually that is not true. In many cases, the professors who stir up the most controversy for their incendiary support for terrorists and condemnation of Israel and its supporters are of great interest to university administrators. Indeed, they arguably owe their careers to their hostile stance toward Israel.
 
   Case in point is newly tenured Columbia professor Joseph Massad, a little-accomplished professor of Middle East studies whose resume includes no scholarly achievements. He rose to prominence with the David Project's 2005 release of its documentary "Columbia Unbecoming" in which Jewish students at Columbia related the intellectual intimidation they suffered in the classroom at the hands of Massad and his colleagues. A university panel formed to investigate the students' allegations found that Massad exceeded "commonly accepted bounds" of behavior in his treatment of one of his students.
 
   As Jacob Gershman reported last month in the New York Post, Columbia quietly granted Massad tenure earlier this year in a secret procedure that likely was unprecedented in its lack of transparency or justification.
 
   Massad's "academic" achievements to date consist of diatribes against Israel, Jews, gays and feminists. Jews and Israel are guilty of stealing Palestinian land and murdering Palestinians and of being Jewish "Nazis" to the Palestinian "Jews." Homosexuals - whom Massad refers to as "Gay International" - are involved in a nefarious plot to force otherwise happy gays in the Arab world out the closet. And "Imperialist Feminists" are involved in a conspiracy to destroy the Arab way of life by objecting to so-called "honor-killings," which in Massad's view are nothing more than "crimes of passion."
 
   As Gershman reported, Massad was granted tenure this year despite the fact that a tenure panel convened two years ago rejected his tenure application. Apparently, the 2007 tenure committee was unconvinced that Massad's work excusing Arab males for murdering their womenfolk for the "crime" of "dishonoring" them was up to Columbia's traditional academic standards.
 
   The first tenure committee's loyalty to traditional academic standards apparently didn't sit well with Columbia President Lee Bollinger and Provost Alan Brinkley. The two men must have felt that in light of the celebrity Massad brings to the school, Columbia stood to benefit from granting him a lifelong appointment. And so Massad was given an unheard-of second hearing before a different committee this past year.
 
   All of this naturally raises the question of why American universities embrace men and women like Dohrn and Massad. Why do America's greatest institutions of higher learning bend over backward to make terrorists and crackpots, bigots and intellectual pygmies feel welcome to spew their bile in the classroom in front of students whose families pay upwards of $50,000 per year to enroll in their sub-level courses?
 
   The answer, unfortunately, is that in the long history of academia bad scholarship and bad ideas flourish until two conditions are met.
First, bad ideas must be so widely discredited that professors become too humiliated to espouse them openly or associate with colleagues who do. Second, funding must dry up for work in the discredited field for professors to stop engaging in it. The occasions on which both conditions are met are so rare that only one example from the last century comes to mind: eugenics.
 
   Eugenics, the pseudo-science of racial pecking orders, was so much the rage in academic circles from the late 19th century through the 1930s that even a towering liberal figure like Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes believed in it. In 1927 Holmes upheld a Virginia law imposing forcible sterilization of the mentally disabled, arguing that "Three generations of imbeciles is enough."
 
   It took the Holocaust to force American academics to desert their support for eugenics and American financiers to stop endowing professorships and underwriting conferences in the "scientific" quackery they propounded.

   We cannot know what it will take for the current fashion of Israel bashing in campus classrooms to be discredited. But we can safely assume that whenever it is finally abandoned, it will be replaced by something equally reprehensible and intellectually dishonest.

Comments:

nik writes:


but she's flawed and writes for the slime english rag in israel pumping sickness into the heart of the jewish people there and abroad... just like the jewish urinal here in l.a. so how can u accept a word she says even if it seems to be telling the truth...? nik

DS replies:

But what if she doesn't know what she is into ( nb JPost's ties to the NWO, etc)? And what if this article happens to be telling the truth, should we therefore discard it?

DS

ABOUT THE CFR: I have been asked repeatedly - what is the CFR-? Just received the link to a great piece that shows WHO CREATED THE CFR, what kind of monsters we are dealing with. This should help us understand their policies.



from Jack.


http://www.hirhome.com/cfr.htm#_ftnref26

Francisco Gil White is a historian who lives in Mexico and has done some excellent research work, worth exploring. Make sure to review more of his work as well.

I posted a link to his masterful powerpoint presentation on the sidebar of this blog, it is well worth reviewing it: it confirms the correlation, posted above it, that I had discovered between the State Department's treatment of Serbia, and that of Israel.


Comments:


nik
says;


he's great and his story is brave and compelling i've been in touch with him and have read almost everything here on his site... nik

Saturday, August 1, 2009

Brilliant piece, by Nadia Matar. Nadia, you are so right; there are some situations where SELF-SACRIFICE IS THE ONLY WAY.




Routine, Expulsion, and Eretz Israel

Nadia Matar

Four years after the destruction of Gush Katif and northern Samaria. What are the lessons? What must we learn from the expulsion, so that in another four years we will not have to write, Heaven forbid, of the lessons to be learned from the expulsion from Judea and Samaria?

In my humble opinion, we must, first of all, internalize the fact that we do not have the luxury of immersing ourselves in routine life. Rather, each of us must take part in the struggle. I will never forget that meeting in Neveh Dekalim, about a year before the expulsion, that was organized by the more hard-line activists of the Gush, in which a proposal was already raised to double or even triple the number of Gush inhabitants by bringing new residents into the houses, or even in tents in the yards. One woman stood up and angrily declared: "I don't agree! I refuse to ruin my lawn, and I won't agree to turn my settlement into a refugee camp! I want to continue with my everyday life!" One of the speakers turned to her and wondered: "Don't you think that it's worth it to somewhat undermine routine life for a few months, in order to preserve the routine in the long term?"

The proposal, however, was rejected, and the leaders of the Gush preferred to continue everyday life, taken to an extreme, to the extent that supporters from the outside, with their families, who wanted to move to the Gush, live in the settlements, and be partners in the struggle, had to pass an acceptance committee, even a few weeks before the expulsion. Many were not accepted, and they had no choice but to leave the Gush. Our family, too, was not accepted in Neveh Dekalim. Apparently because we were identified with the "activist" wing. And so our family and additional Women in Green members stayed in Kfar Yam with the family of Arik and Datia Yitzhaki, who received us with open arms.

It is difficult for me to commit those memories to writing. Our brothers from Gush Katif suffer enough, and I don't intend to hurt them by raising these matters, but I feel obligated to speak about the subject, as the learning of lessons for the struggle over Judea and Samaria. I do not mean to say that we should erect tents in our yards now, but today, in light of the bitter experience undergone by our brothers from the Gush, we must understand that "routine" and "expulsion" are connected to each other. [In Hebrew, routine is "shigra" and expulsion is "gerush"-both words with similar roots].

Already now, when there is just talk of the destruction of the outposts, that everyone knows is the first stage of the destruction of the settlement enterprise as a whole, with the goal of establishing a Palestinian state instead, we must make the mental switch and internalize that each of us has the responsibility and obligation to leave our everyday lives and participate in the struggle for Eretz Israel.

Here is the place to raise an additional subject, one that is no less painful: in my humble opinion, we lost the struggle for Gush Katif and northern Samaria because we did not relate to Eretz Israel as a supreme value for which self-sacrifice is needed. If there had been some preposterous government decree that IDF soldiers must enter the homes of Jews on Yom Kippur and forcibly feed them nonkosher food, I assume and hope that a wall-to-wall consensus would take shape among our public on the need to refuse to obey this anti-Jewish and anti-moral order. The victims of the "force-feeding" would not begin a "With Love We Will Be Victorious" campaign, but rather, they, too, would vigorously resist.

And I ask: Why is what is so clear regarding Shabbat and kashrut observance is not clear regarding Eretz Israel?

This is the one million dollar question I have been asking myself for the past four years since the expulsion.

If Eretz Israel is a supreme value, like Shabbat and kashrut, then the way to struggle against the decrees of the destruction of settlements and the handing over of parts of the homeland to the enemy entails self-sacrifice. For us, we can translate this self-sacrifice into refusing orders and mass nonviolent civil disobedience. I am certain that if these two methods of struggle had been implemented in 2005, we would have saved the Gush.

And thus,in my opinion, the main lesson to be drawn from the expulsion, is that we must understand that Eretz Israel is a supreme value for which we leave our everyday lives and go forth to a real struggle, and not only to symbolic protest demonstrations. It is ironic that it is the peoples of the world who teach us of the importance and centrality of Eretz Israel. The peoples of the world don't care if we all study Torah, eat kosher, or observe Shabbat. But if five Jews climb some hill in the area of Judea and Samaria and dare to build a hut on it - the UN, the European Union, the Obama administration, and who knows who else go out of their minds and try to prevent us from doing this.

Undoubtedly, in light of the brazenness of the Obama administration and the Europeans, that are returning us to the time of the White Paper, more and more elements within the people of Israel are coming to their senses. With God's help, the tremendous forces inherent in our people will be realized, and this time we will succeed in defending Eretz Israel, and increase building, settlement, and development.

U.S. STATE DEPT EXCLUDES ISRAEL FROM JERUSALEM CONSULATE - ALLEGEDLY; is it true?



Received from A.M., and from Jack, with a very correct comment by Jack:

Don't bother writing to Clinton or to her boss. Write to Jewish organizations and members of Congress. Write to Evangelicals and to other people who understand and love Israel. They will do something about it. Clinton and her boss will not. This is their policy, after all, and they don't give a hoot what you think or want.


STATE DEPT EXCLUDES ISRAEL FROM JERUSALEM CONSULATE

If you go to the official U.S. Government State Department website

at  http://Jerusalem.USConsulate.Gov/  you will find information about

aid to the new library in Beit Jala, about a $200,000,000.00 US "Budget

Support" to the PA terrorist regime of Abu Mazen, and about 8 new grants

to East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the "West Bank."

You will read that Hillary asks the Arab States to exercise more responsibility

to aid the "palestinians."

You can learn about the U.S. Consular staff's special grants to preserve the

mythical "Palestinian Cultural Heritage.

You can learn about Fulbright Awards and Abraham Lincoln grants for Arab

youth.

What you can't learn about is U.S.-Israel relations.  That's because the word

"Israel" is never mentioned anywhere on the State Department's official

consular website in Jerusalem!  Not once!  Nowhere!

If you are as shocked and outraged – but not really too surprised – as I am

at this blatant anti-Israel policy by the U.S. State Department in Jerusalem, why

not drop a polite note to Hillary at:  http://contact-us.state.gov

and let her know how you feel?  Why not drop a note to the president, too?

 [President@WhiteHouse.Gov] – easy enough even for me to remember!

THEN, FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT FEEL THE SAME!

Comments:


Hannah
says:


Not true. I did a search for "Israel" on the site, and 256 hits came back.

One of them, for example, is an interview with H Clinton, where she says the US intends to encourage the PA toward "a renouncement of violence, a recognition of Israel, and a commitment to abide by the previous agreements entered in by the Palestinian Authority." [http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/interview270209.html]

Not that I believe a word of it.

But if we want to be taken seriously by those sitting on the fence, we need to check claims like this before telling everyone to bombard the US gov't with protests.

There is enough real discrimination out there which needs our attention.


DS replies: thank you, Hannah, for this important information. I will relay it to my sources. I do not have time to check what people send me, specially when they are known to be reliable. So maybe something fell through the cracks here. Sorry.

DS: one more person researched this information, and apparently it is not true. Truly sorry about this MISTAKEN INFORMATION I had received from two usually very reliable sources.

However, nobody is perfect. I hope no one wrote to the State Department. And if you did, no big deal.

However, if ANYBODY finds something on this blog that does not check out, please let us know. I usually trust sources that I have known to be responsible, but once in a while something slips by. Nobody is perfect. Join the human family.

DS

Update: SO THIS IS THE REAL SCOOP:

US Embassy, Consulate Cater to Arabs

Av 16, 5769, 06 August 09 09:42
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
(Israelnationalnews.com)

The American Consulate in “eastern Jerusalem” serves 600,000 Jews in the “occupied territories” of Judea and Samaria and many parts of Jerusalem, but its website at http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov is devoted to helping Arabs only. English and Arabic are the two languages used by workers, and its telephone answering system does not offer an option for Hebrew.

The Tel Aviv-based American embassy website also tries to woo Israeli Arabs more than it does Americans or Israeli Jews.

The United States officially regards as “occupied territory” all of Judea and Samaria and all parts of Jerusalem, including the Old City and the Western Wall (Kotel), that were restored to the Jewish State in the Six-Day War in 1967. Consulate officials explained the designation of “occupied” areas is why the site caters only to Arabs.

American policy requires all residents of “eastern Jerusalem,” including French Hill and Gilo as well as those living in Judea and Samaria, to use the Consulate for passports and other services for citizens. Officials told Israel National News that the embassy in Tel Aviv may be used in emergencies, but the consulate’s website shows no signs that it serves Jews at all.

Three news briefs on the current Consulate site tell readers that the United States helped Beit Jalla, adjacent to Bethlehem, to build a new public library, handed out 300 free tickets for Arab children to watch a Disney movie in Shechem and sponsored a summer camp for 450 Arabs in Judea and Samaria and Gaza.

One article features an American grant “to preserve Palestinian cultural heritage” and includes a grant to the Palestinian Association for Cultural Exchange (PACE), to “assist three historic villages in the West Bank – Beitin, Aboud, and Al-Jib – to preserve their cultural heritage and promote tourist destinations, while also raising awareness among residents of the villages about their cultural heritage.”
One article features an American grant 'to preserve Palestinian cultural heritage.'

The PACE group refers on its websites to “unstable political conditions in the Palestinian Areas in the past, and espicially [sic] since the beginning of the current uprising "Intifada", resulted in tremenous dammage [sic] to the region's cultural heritage.”

The Consulate’s news page headlines the recent American government’s “supporting” the Palestinian Authority with a $200 million grant. Another item quotes U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as saying, “Arab states have a responsibility to support the Palestinian Authority.”

The site invites Arabs to apply for eight grants “in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza.” No assistance or programs are offered for Jewish residents of the same areas. The site also touts an American-funded Arab camp that “stimulates critical thinking in Palestinian youth."

The American Israeli Action Coalition (AIAC) has charged that the Jerusalem Consulate website in effect “is totally denying the existence of Israel or Israelis.” AIAC chairman Harvey Schwartz commented. "The Obama administration's continued efforts to marginalize Israel are becoming more evident daily. The U.S. Consulate's efforts…demonstrate that those efforts are continuing unabated."

Tel Aviv Embassy Site also Panders to Arabs

The U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv does not offer much news for American Jews, either. It highlights a program for the Lower Galilee Kadoorie School, which is primarily used for Arabs. The summer program for English teachers, which also attracted several Jewish teachers, focused on teaching Black American history.

The current embassy website also features U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announcing an American grant of $200 million to the Palestinian Authority. “The ability of the United States to provide support directly to the Palestinian Authority is an indication of the bipartisan support for the effort to secure the peace in the Middle East, as well as for the fundamental reforms that the Palestinian Authority has undertaken," she said in a statement on the website.

An Embassy spokesman explained to Israel National News that it posts "articles and items that it thinks will interest visitors to the site.” He pointed out that the Embassy serves Jews as well as Arabs for all American citizens’ services.

The Embassy’s “Human Rights Report: Israel and the Occupied Territories” is implicitly critical of Israel as a Jewish state and of the authority of rabbis who act according to traditional Jewish law.

Under the subtitle “Freedom of Religion,” the Embassy site states, “The Basic Law and Declaration of Independence recognize the country as a ‘Jewish and democratic state,’ while also providing for full social and political equality, regardless of religious affiliation. The government recognized only Orthodox Jewish religious authorities in personal and some civil status matters concerning Jewish persons. The government implemented policies including marriage, divorce, education, burial, and observance of the Sabbath based on Orthodox Jewish interpretation of religious law, and allocations of state resources favored Orthodox Jewish institutions.”

The Embassy points out that religious minorities do not receive the same amount of money as Jews on a proportionate basis and notes that “unrecognized communities" were ineligible for government funding although they are allowed to practice their religion freely.

It also charges that “many Jewish citizens objected to exclusive Orthodox control over aspects of their personal lives” without noting that traditional Judaism has been the basis of the Jewish people for 3,500 years.

The Embassy appears to complain that “legal missionaries faced harassment and discrimination by some hareidi (Ultra-Orthodox) Jewish activists and organizations and certain local government officials.” It did not state that public missionary activity is illegal in Israel although the government widely ignores some activities. The Embassy also points out incidents that illustrate alleged denial of rights to missionaries.

Other sections of the article repeatedly point out specific incidents that are critical of Israel's behavior towards non-Jews and terrorists.

The Embassy website specifically blames Israel for the plight of tens of thousands of Bedouin, who by practicing polygamy, generally forbidden under Israeli law, become a majority in many Negev areas and have taken over thousands of acres of government lands. However, the site states that Bedouin “unrecognized villages” are “made up mostly of tents and shacks, evolved as a result of the government's refusal to recognize Bedouin land claims based on traditional usage prior to the establishment of the state.”

It does not point out that tents and shacks are historically traditional shelters for many Bedouin in order to enable them to easily dismantle and move them as they change locations with the seasons to graze their flocks in different areas of the country.

Regarding terrorists, the Embassy freely quotes PA media and the anti-Israeli B’Tselem group, both of which have been documented by media watchdogs and government agencies as issuing deceptive and false reports.

The Embassy report noted that PA media often broadcast anti-Semitic content and incitement to carry out terrorist attacks, but, trying to strike a balance, it adds, “Israeli settler radio stations often depicted Arabs as subhuman and called for Palestinians to be expelled from the West Bank. Some of this rhetoric contained religious references.”

ATTENTION,BEWARE! the application form for CASH FOR CLUNKERS includes a clause allowing the US government to seize your computer and all of its contents.



Received from anonymous.


August 1, 2009

US Seizes All Of Its Citizens Computers, Says They Now Belong To Federal System

In a move that can only be described as shocking, the United States has today moved to take control over every single computer system in their country without their own citizens even being aware of what is happening,

Russian legal experts state that the insidious actions of the United States against their own people is "worthy of even the most devout Communist" as the American government  has employed a method of seizing their citizens computers that is so Orwellian, even the most hardened of persons should be chilled to their very bones.

To the exact method being employed to capture their citizens computer systems, the United States this past week introduced what they are calling a "Cash for Clunkers" automobile programme that allows Americans to trade in their out-of-date cars for new ones subsidized by their government in an amount up to $4,500.

In order for the American people to ascertain if they are eligible for this "Cash for Clunker" programme they must first go to the US government website Cars.Gov, and where in the "small print" they are informed:

This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal Computer system and is the property of the US Government.

Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.

Russian legal experts further point out that even though the language being employed by the US government in seizing their citizens computers appears to limit its "ownership" to only that time period when the Federal application is being used, nothing could be further from the truth as under what is known as the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), once the United States Government becomes the owner of anything it retains that ownership forever.

Note: The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC or the Code), first published in 1952, is one of a number of uniform acts that have been promulgated in conjunction with efforts to harmonize the law of sales and other commercial transactions in all 50 states within the United States of America.

Russian legal experts also point out that in seizing their citizens computers, all information on these computers become the property of the United States government too.

And, if this isn't shocking enough, the United States government openly states that the information they are seizing from their citizens computers will be freely given to foreign Nations in a move unprecedented in violating the human and privacy rights of the American people.

Most disturbing about this shocking new development in the United States is that its propaganda news media is failing to warn the American people about this gross injustice to their freedoms, leading one to openly wonder how entrenched they are in the conspiracy to take away all of the freedoms and rights these once great peoples took for granted.

But, even without their propaganda news media telling them the truth, the American people can never say they weren't warned about the police state their Nation is becoming, as in his famous book "1984", George Orwell did exactly that by stating:

"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."

(personal comment:  In other words, a continual rewriting of history to conform to their wicked agenda, e. g. "the Holocaust never happened." –  Bro. Carl)

Upon the outbreak of hostilities against Britain by the American Revolutionaries, the Great Patriot, who became the first US President, George Washington said, "The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."

Today, as the United States sinks into the abyss of totalitarian rule that will see its citizens enslaved forever, one can rightfully envision tears flowing down the face of George Washington should he have seen how far these American people have fallen.

© August 1, 2009 EU and US all rights reserved




Comments:


Ezra writes:

This article is written by a person with the pseudoname Sorcha Faal. Google "Sorcha Faal Hoax" and there are hundreds of sites that question the authenticity of her blog pieces. She claims to be a Russian academic, but no one has been able to find anyone with that name.

Check out:

http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/there-is-no-such-person-as-sorcha-faal-russian-academic

You should do a bit of internet work before sending out anonymous information.

DS
replies:

Ezra,

That is not what I meant. I KNEW this was coming from Sorcha Faal, alias David Booth. What I meant to check is the veracity of the claim that by applying, a person has their computer invaded by the US Gov.

Sorcha Faal: a lot of what comes out of that website subsequently proves to have half truth and half not. Considering this very popular program,Cash for clunkers, I was questioning whether the claim that applying for the loan binds people's coomputer legally in that way is correct.


nik writes:


truly sick and demented...also I heard Friday on the radio that if we are to believe that people in the U.S. went berzerk and bought cars like there was no tomorrow (which G-d forbid there almost isn't anymore tomorrows for us)... then at max $4500 a pop per trade in... then 1 bil dollars in 5 days people around this country bought 22mil cars...

if u believe this I'd like to sell u some pristine beachfront property in Arizona... real cheap... no waiting... step right up one and all... suckers!!! saps!!!! again we are being lied to by our "elected" officials and manipulated by the corporate media... and we never do anything to call them on their outrageous fraud and subterfuge... we never even think things out logically anymore... so when they come back to siphon off 2bil more and steal from the u.s. taxpayer... engorging themselves yet again from the public trough... we just turn around and bend over and say "please corporate america... please kick me real hard again!!! we're so cooked... we're so adled... and we're so dead.... G-d forbid of course... but i see no hope anymore for the world if they can do things like this and no one stands up and no one pays any attention to the few brave people who sometimes try to... we're as sick in the head as the slime are demonically twisted... goodnight
america... good night world... nik. out... G-d forbid of course...


Update:

SO IT IS TRUE, AFTER ALL! BEWARE, AND DO NOT ACCESS THAT SITE! DO NOT LET ANYBODY ELSE IN YOUR HOME ACCESS THAT SITE!