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Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Another view on the swine flu "pandemic".The REAL TRUTH about "Swine Flu Epidemic"




 
 
 

Media pigs misinforming public about so-called "epidemic"

Those filthy swine... The swine flu "epidemic" is only a few days old, and Big Pharma is already plotting to make a fortune.

European drug maker Roche announced it was scaling up production of Tamiflu, giving a boost to its stock price and sending millions into the Roche coffers. GlaxoSmithKline, which makes the anti-flu drug Relenza, is also seeing its stock price climb, as investors hope this swine flu is the biggest thing since the bubonic plague.

There's only one problem here – it's not going to happen. And they have it wrong on swine flu. It won't be an epidemic – it'll barely even be a ripple. I've run medical clinics in Africa – I know what an epidemic looks like.

And this isn't it.

The media is blowing swine flu out of proportion so it can feed its 24-hour news cycle – the same media, mind you, that had us convinced that avian flu was going to destroy the planet a few years ago.

But here are the facts about swine flu – it has affected so few people in America that it's hardly worth discussing. There are 64 confirmed cases in America as I'm writing this – not 6,000 or even 600. There are 64.

Of course, the media is fixated on the 100 or so people who have died in Mexico from the swine flu. But let me clue you into something that no one seems to be discussing – health care in Mexico is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. I know – I've been there more times than I can count.

Disease spreads rapidly through Mexico because large areas of the country lack clean water and basic sanitation. Seeing a doctor – let alone a qualified doctor – is a luxury unavailable to most of the population. Of course the flu is killing people in Mexico – so are a lot of other diseases that are successfully treated in America. People in Mexico still die from diarrhea, for Pete's sake!

Yes, they have apparently had some cases of bad swine flu in Mexico. They've had lots of dengue fever and chagas, too, but you don't need to stay up at night worrying about it. Beating the swine flu isn't any different from beating the regular flu. Wash your hands. Avoid large crowds if you can. Get plenty of rest and fluids if you start getting sick.

Of course, I'm not recommending you eat Mexican pork – or any food produced in Mexico, for that matter. Hopefully the tainted peppers outbreak of 2008 taught us that.
It's no epidemic. It's no public health catastrophe. It's good theatre – and nothing more.

 

William Campbell Douglass II, M.D.


PLEASE WATCH! More info, < 10 min. video: another piece of the flu virus and vaccine saga falling into place. See it in conjunction with what I had already sent out. Makes a lot of sense. Swine Flu claims presentation

Received this today: thank you.


"You probably.... have an
opinion regarding the credibility of his claims, or the lack thereof. My own
suspicions are that, even if his allegations are true, his "big picture" only
scratches the surface..
 
This regards the swine flu epidemic and its alleged source:"
 




Dr Horowitz: Dr Robertson & Novavax Responsible For Strain of "Swine" Flu "BUSTED!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs
Here, the honorable Dr. Horowitz urges an investigation of Dr. James S. Robertson, Englands leading bioengineer of flu viruses for the vaccine industry, and avid promoter of U.S. Government funding for lucrative biodefense contracts, along with collaborators at the US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC). These suspects helped Novavax, Inc., in Bethesda, Maryland, produce genetically-modified recombinants of the avian, swine, and Spanish flu viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, nearly identical to the unprecedented Mexican virus that is allegedly spreading to the United States at the time of this posting. The outbreak was precisely timed to promote the companys new research and huge vaccine stockpiling contracts.

Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are implicated through collaborations and publications involving private contracts with Novavax, a company that obtains its biosimulars through CDC Influenza Branch director, Ruben O. Donis, and Dr. Rick Bright, previously working with Donis at the CDC, now Novavaxs Vice President of Global Influenza Programs.

Descriptions of this virus is pathognomonic, or diagnostic, of a virus that came from Robertsons circle of friends, Dr. Horowitz charges. No other group in the world takes H5N1 Asian flu infected chickens, brings them to Europe, extracts their DNA, combines their proteins with H1N1 viruses from the 1918 Spanish flu isolate, additionally mixes in swine flu genes from pigs, then reverse engineers them to infect humans. The end product could only have ended up in Mexico via the United States from Britain in care of the CDC. The CDC had to have sent them to Novavax, where Rick Brights team is now implicated in a conspiracy to commit genocide—the mass killing of people for profit.

http://current.com/items/90008640_dr-horowitz-dr-robertson-novavax-responsible-for-strain-of-swine-flu-busted.htm

To all: Emergency protest of Vatican/Israeli signing, 4/30/09

B"H

To all,

Upon the suggestion of some trusted friends, I contacted Bob Kunst who is planning the massive protest when the pope is here. We decided to hold a small protest tomorrow in front of the Foreign Ministry., I say small because we did not apply for a police permit, so I think less than 50 people is what is permitted.

Please come with signs: I think the signs DO NOT HAVE TO be polite, just SAY IT LIKE IT IS, to your liking.


See details below






>Subject: Emergency protest of Vatican/Israeli signing, 4/30/09
>
>Dear Media:  While we are planning a major rally to "Keep Jerusalem United" on May 11, 2009, 4-6P.M. at Zion Square, and our 500 shofars will make our alarm universal with shofars all over the world blowing at the same time at 5:30 P.M., when the Pope is at Yad Vashem......we want to convey in advance with a small group tomorrow morning, 9:30 A.M., at the Foreign Ministry's office, 9 Ytzhak Rabin Blvd. with our message to the Pope as on 5/11- "HANDS OFF JERUSALEM".Also, why isn't the Vatican supporting a United Jerusalem for 3000 yrs. and why isn't the Vatican returning $millions in stolen Jewish artifacts in the Holocaust, under the Vatican and should be returned to the Jewish people. Please contact: Bob Kunst,
>Pres., Shalom International/www.defendjerusalem.net, 050-2000296.
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Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Fwd: "War Within 18 Months..."

From Jack



King Abdullah also said the "what the Palestinians need is a state not more jobs."
 
Coming from him, that really is precious. Jordan stands on nearly 80% of the original territory of the Mandate of Palestine, established by the League of Nations to become the "national home of the Jewish people," the long exiled indigenous inhabitants of the Land. Less than a month after its establishment, the Mandatory Power, Great Britain, AKA "perfidious Albion", illegally separated off the nearly 80% to the east of the Jordan River, closed it to Jewish settlement, gave it to a Hashemite sheikh from the Arabian Peninsula named Abdallah to rule it and renamed in "The Emirate of Transjordan." It is today the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" and Abdallah was the grandfather of today's King Abdallah II. About 75% of his subjects are "West Bank Palestinians." (No one even speaks any more of "East Bank Palestinians" or the "Palestinians" would constitute nearly 100% of the inhabitants of Jordan.)
 
What that all means is that the "Palestinians" have a country and King Abdallah II is the head of state of that country. He happens not to be a "Palestinian" but what of it? The Queen of England happens to be German. If that is to the liking of their respective peoples, who am I to complain? And if it is not to their liking, that too is primarily none of my business. But King Abdallah should be the last person in the world to proclaim that the "Palestinian people" need a state. They might decide that he is right.
 
Jack


>
>
> "War Within 18 Months..."
>
> His Majesty King Abdullah II King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
> April 28 , 2009 | Eli E. Hertz
>
> During the king's recent visit to the U.S. he touched on the following:
>
> • Israel will face war within 18 months if it does not come to terms with the Arab demands
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> • The establishment of a new Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem
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> • Threats from Iran and Al Qaeda will fade away once Jerusalem is divided
>
> Hypocrisy Aside - Rebuttal
>
> The Arabs never established nor recognized a Palestinian state during the two decades (1948-1967) prior to the Six-Day War when the West Bank was under Jordanian control, nor did the Palestinians clamor for autonomy or independence during those years under Jordanian rule. Jerusalem for that matter, has never served as an Arab capital for the simple reason that there has never been a Palestinian Arab state.
>
> In 1968, the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) turned Jordan into a staging area for sending terrorists into the West Bank and Israel. In the course of three years, 141 Israelis were killed along Israel's border with Jordan. Only in September 1970 was the PLO ousted to Lebanon by Jordan's King Hussein after the PLO went one step too far: Skyjacking three civilian airliners to Jordan, then blowing up the empty planes on the tarmac. During the battle between Jordan's Arab Legion and Palestinian Arab forces (known later as 'Black September') the Jordanians massacred more than 3,000 of their Palestinian 'brethren' in just 10 days.
>
> Culturally, Palestinians cannot distinguish their endeavors from other Arabs. The only innovations Palestinians can take credit for are using skyjackings - which they initiated in 1968 as a political instrument, and suicide bombers - refined since the advent of the Oslo Accords in 1993 as a political weapon that is turning Arab's own youth into suicide bombers that target other civilians.
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> ________________________________


More on the "PANDEMIC POTENTIAL " of the swine flu.This time, Brasscheck sent a video that may well save your life. For G-d' s sake , VIEW THE VIDEO, and READ THE TEXT!




http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/610.html

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/609.html    THESE ARE THE VIDEOS - TOTAL LESS THAN 20 MINUTES AND ESSENTIAL



"All the things discussed in the video were laid down during the pharmaceutical industry-friendly Bush administration.

They're all still in place and Obama has shown no signs of dismantling or looking at the legal structures that make is possible for the US to:

1. Declare a pandemic
2. Use this declaration as grounds for arrest and imprisonment without charge, without representation and for an undetermined amount of time
3. Compel vaccination
4. Remove any liability from the drug companies involved if their products kill and maim

Study the timeline and see how an administration that could not get anything of value accomplished was a model of efficiency and speed in creating the infrastructures to make this happen.

Note that in a previous video, local law enforcement are already being commanded by FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security to submit plans and run practice drills for vaccinating the entire US population in 48 hours or less.

Fortunately, this is a logistic impossibility if people are informed and don't cooperate.

Unfortunately, few are informed and a combination of draconian laws, garbage science, and a corrupt/incompetent media are working together to make "voluntary" acceptance a real possibility.
"


If MEXICANS can't come to Israel for the pope, one strike out; add Spaniards, two strikes out ; if Israel has a travel advisory attached, three strikes and YOU'RE OUT! Will the pope come just on time to catch the flu? Who will dare follow him here??



Two Confirmed Swine Flu Cases in Israel, Third Possible

Iyar 4, 5769, 28 April 09 05:17

(IsraelNN.com) The Ministry of Health confirmed Tuesday afternoon that a second case of swine flu has been diagnosed in Israel at the Meir medical center. The first case was confirmed earlier in the day.

In addition, the niece of one of the confirmed cases has been hospitalized at Laniado Medical Center under suspicion that she may also have contracted the flu. Her condition, however, is listed as good.

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Re: the visit of the pope to Aquila etc. where a major earthquake occurred Erev Pessach, here is an interesting piece of information relevant to Har Zion: Hashem knows exactly what HE is doing, but will the pope get the message??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/06/strong-earthquake-hits-ce_n_183343.html


also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/world/europe/29pope.html?hp

....L'Aquila, whose name means "The Eagle" in Italian, was built around 1240 by Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II and was under French, Spanish and papal domination during the centuries. The high-flying bird was both the emblem of Frederick and reflects the 2,300-foot altitude of the proud city.....



Now you understand why the pope is visiting; EVEN ITS NAME is one of the symbols of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE which he is about to REVIVE in HAR ZION, the future and desired seat of the renewed "Holy Roman Empire"!

Remember that the eagle was also the symbol of the Nazis, of the Third Reich, modeled after the Holy Roman Empire. Fitting for Yom Haatzmaut.

The PROUD city is no more; pride shattered... humility instead?

Was under papal domination...

read the rest of the article: very enlightening.

Article in A7 about Har Zion about to be handed over. Here is part of the conversation I had with the lawyer representing the Diaspora Yeshiva; tell me if the FOREIGN MINISTRY IS TELLING THE TRUTH!

B"H

To all:


I. First of all, here is the article by Hillel Fendel, reporting on the latest information, including the Foreign Ministry's strenuous denials:




Israel to Transfer Control of Mt. Zion Site to Catholic Church?

Iyar 4, 5769, 28 April 09 01:54
by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) Reports in the Catholic media, buttressed by information from sources in Israel who are close to a ten-year-long negotiation between Israel and the Vatican, imply that an agreement is close on the handover of a holy room on Mount Zion to the Catholic Church.

However, a Foreign Ministry official denies categorically that Israel plans to hand over any properties.  At issue are properties in Jerusalem, Caesarea, and around Lake Kinneret (Sea of Galilee).

The most prominent site in question is the room said to mark the burial site of Kings Solomon and Hezekiah, known by Catholics as the Last Supper Room.  It is also in the same structure that houses King David's Tomb.  Said to be the oldest Catholic church in the world, the building has also served as a synagogue and a mosque in the past; Muslim inscriptions still adorn the walls.

Since 1967, however, it has been under Israeli control, part of a complex leased and run by the Diaspora Yeshiva for over 40 years.  An estimated 10,000 students have studied in the Yeshiva since then; for many of them, it was their first stop on their way to Judaism and Aliyah [immigration to Israel].

The Catholic Church has long wanted control over part of the area – to turn it into an international religious center for Catholics from all over the world, Diaspora Yeshiva officials say.

"We were forced to give over part of the compound to the Ministry of Religious Affairs," says Rabbi Mordechai Goldstein, founder and Dean of the Yeshiva, "which then gave it over to the Ministry of the Interior. Ever since then, the Church has been making demands and claims on the area, and has been making inroads. Their goal, ultimately, is to conduct religious services here, with hundreds of thousands of Christian tourists coming through.

"This area is very contested, by many different churches," Rabbi Goldstein told Israel National News. "Why should the Catholic Church claim be honored more than that of others?  Given such a situation, it is clear that the best solution is the status quo: Everyone is permitted to enter, but no religious services are allowed."

Negotiating Committee: Upbeat About Progress
The Bilateral Permanent Working Commission – a team of Israeli and Vatican representatives who have been negotiating fiscal and property questions since March 1999 – released an optimistic news release at the end of last week. The Commission announced "meaningful progress," "great cordiality," and a mutual commitment to reach a final agreement "as soon as possible."

The communiqué also announced a plenary meeting for this Thursday, April 30, at the Foreign Ministry. The meeting will be chaired by the two states' deputy foreign ministers, Danny Ayalon and Monsignor Pietro Parolin. It is suspected that an agreement will be signed then.

In addition to hints in the Catholic media, a source in a legal office close to the negotiations said that an agreement on the transfer of control of the Last Supper Room is, in fact, close.  The source, who did not wish to be named, spoke to a Knesset Member's top aide. 

Similarly, Dr. Daisy J. Stern, who has been closely following the matter, reports that government sources confirm that the agreement with the Vatican is ready to be signed. 

Strenuous Foreign Ministry Denial
On the other hand, Shmuel Ben-Shmuel, the head of the Religions Department in the Foreign Ministry, says there is no danger of Israel giving away properties.  Speaking to Attorney Aviad Visoly, who represents the Diaspora Yeshiva, Ben-Shmuel said that this week's meeting has nothing to do with Mount Zion, adding that the meeting is held annually and will be nothing more than a briefing on the status of the negotiations thus far.  He said that Israel's position continues to be one of rejection of Church claims to property on Mt. Zion.

Despite the denial, Diaspora Yeshiva officials and other concerned citizens are not resting easy.

Prof. Hillel Weiss of Bar Ilan University, who met with the Yeshiva directors on Tuesday morning, said afterwards, "I cannot say if a given Foreign Ministry official is saying the truth or not. What I do know is that the Foreign Ministry has long-term policies that are anti-Jewish. We saw the renovations that are being carried out at the Mt. Zion site today at a furious pace, in time for the Pope's upcoming visit, and we know that the Vatican in general has long been working to reduce Jewish rights in Jerusalem and in the Old City.  Everything must be seen from this perspective.

"The more we publicize the official denials of the Foreign Ministry that they plan to give away any lands to the Catholic Church, the better for us," Prof. Weiss summed up.

Rabbi Goldstein said plans to prepare the area of his Yeshiva for "all three religions" – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – are already underway: "They have even been replacing the signs that we put up, with signs in three languages.  Here," he pointed to a door leading to David's Tomb, "they took down our sign, leaving it empty, and they don't allow us to put up another one.  Over here are candles lit by Jewish visitors in memory of King David – but the officials plan on stopping that as well."

"This is a Jewish area," Rabbi Goldstein emphasizes, "and they want to change the status quo and give them the right to control what goes on here. Control is often more important than actual ownership."

Church Wants Passage Through Yeshiva
The rabbi further said that there is constant pressure upon the Yeshiva – financial and otherwise – to allow the Church to build a passageway through the Yeshiva to enable thousands of Christian visitors and worshipers to more easily access the Last Supper Room each month. 

Financial Incentives, No Public Debate
The Tourism Ministry has announced that it expects 15,000 to 20,000 Christians to visit Israel at the same time as the Pope, in mid-May, and a total of 1.2 million to visit during the course of 2009. The financial incentives to make the site "more Christian" are thus very great.

The former director of the Diaspora Yeshiva explained that if the Catholic Church receives control of the area, just a few hundred yards from the Temple Mount and adjacent to the Old City walls, it will turn it into "the international center for Catholics all around the world, and if the pope just gives the word, Christians will be flocking over here en masse."

"This is an enormous issue that is being pushed through without any public debate whatsoever," he said.
Rabbi Goldstein said in the past that "according to their bible, the Land is to return to the Christians and 144,000 Jews are to return to Mt. Zion. Their plan is for them to take control of the site, and then to announce that they are holding a mass reenactment of the Last Supper, with [all types of religious rituals], and to invite millions of Christians to come to Jerusalem and celebrate."

It now remains to be seen what agreement, if any, will be signed on Thursday between Israel and the Vatican.





II. Next: I personally overheard the spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, Lior, STRENOUSLY DENYING that any agreement IS BEING SIGNED, or HAS BEEN SIGNED BY ISRAEL re Har Zion, with any representative of the Vatican.

Not only that, LIOR EVEN DENIED THAT ANY MEETING IS TO TAKE PLACE APRIL 30th!

CONFIRMED LIE #1.

However, since there is a very obvious controversy, a few mechanisms were put in place by our team in order to uncover the truth. One of them, of course, was to speak to the Foreign Ministry directly, which is what Aviad Vissouli, the attorney for the Diaspora Yeshiva now, did.

This is part of the response he received. Now you judge for yourselves if the Foreign Ministry people are telling the truth or not.

דברתי עם שמואל בן-שמואל, ראש מחלקת הדתות במשרד החוץ בנוגע למפגש של סגן שר החוץ עם משלחת הוותיקן ביום ה' הקרוב (30.4.09).
 
הוא אמר שמדובר במפגש שנתי שגרתי של מליאת הפורום העוסק בהסכם הכלכלי בין ישראל לוותיקן.
 
לדבריו, בשנת 1993 חתמה ישראל עם "הסכם מעמד" עם הוותיקן אשר הקנה לוותיקן מעמד משפטי בישראל.
 
החל משנת 1995 מנהלת ישראל מו"מ עם הוותיקן בנוגע לשורה ארוכה של נושאים כלכליים כגון הטלת ארנונה הפקעת רכוש הכנסיה וכו'.
 
במסגרת הפורום הכלכלי מתנהלות 4 - 5 ישיבות בשנה של הפורומים המקצועיים וישיבה אחת בשנה של מליאת הפורום בראשות סגני שרי החוץ.
 
בישיבה הקרובה, לדבריו, לא מתוכנן לחתום על שום הסכם או לעסוק בכל נכס הנמצא בירושלים.
 
הוא מודע לתביעה של הוותיקן בנוגע לשני החדרים בהר ציון.  הוא אומר שהם מבססים את התביעה על חזקה שהיתה להם מאז המאה - 16 (לדבריהם) במקום.
 
ישראל אינה מכירה בתביעה זו ואין כל כוונה לחתום על הסכם בנושא.  מי שדנה בנושא זה היא הוועדה לענייני נכסים.
 
הוא מכחיש לחלוטין כל כוונה מצד ממשלת ישראל לחתום על הסכם עם הוותיקן בקשר עם ביקור האפיפיור.  הוא אומר שלוותיקן אין כל תביעות בהר הבית.
 
את אותם דברים (בנוגע להר ציון) הוא מסר גם לעוזרת סגן שר החוץ (דני איילון) בשם לימור, אשר העבירה אותם אלי.
 
Now here, Shmuel Ben Shmuel, ACKNOWLEDGED AT LEAST THAT THE MEETING IS TO TAKE PLACE, BUT HE MINIMIZED ITS IMPORTANCE.

In brief, Shmuel -Ben Shmuel stated that the next plenary session is a routine one, which occurs once a year; the state doesn't recognize the claims of the Vatican as regards the Cenacle Room and the room adjacent to it, and doesn't intend to sign an agreement as regards this topic.

Actually, the official close to Netanyahu also said that this next session only deals with minor details, that everything has already been signed, So here I guess they agree, just that the ultimate meaning is diametrically different!

He said they don't intend to sign an agreement re: the visit of the pope. Are we dealing with SOPHISTRY HERE, play on words?

Is he saying this:


a) because it has ALREADY been signed, as I was told ,a highly placed official close to Netanyahu said a couple of days ago?  and that everybody in the government already knows that, including the chief rabbis...

b) because the agreement to be signed doesn't only refer to Har Zion and Jerusalem; What is to be signed is a  COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT, covering ALL DISPUTED, UNRESOLVED, OPEN ISSUES SINCE 1993!!!!!

c) because the agreement has nothing to do with the visit of the pope - true, but sophistry, play on words, thereby avoiding the real issues and questions,

d) or because he is lying?

e) the last possibility, that he is telling the truth ( besides item c) , of course) , is too remote to even be considered, in my view.


III. NEXT: Just consider the facts:




.....Quite a different story from what they've been telling us, isn't it?????  DS


12/18/2008 16:14


VATICAN - ISRAEL

Holy See-Israel delegation speeds up work ahead of pope's visit to Holy Land
by Arieh Cohen
The next round of meetings has been scheduled: four in just three months, after years of inaction. The date of the plenary assembly has been moved up, and everything will be completed before May of 2009, when Benedict XVI is expected to arrive in the Holy Land.

Jerusalem (AsiaNews) - The permanent bilateral commission between the Holy See and the state of Israel today concluded its plenary meeting at the foreign ministry in Jerusalem, and decided on a packed schedule of meetings, leading to hopes that some conclusion might be reached before the probable visit of Benedict XVI to the Holy Land in May of 2009.

In the statement released at the end of today's meeting, it is affirmed that "the working-level Commission will hold meetings on 15 January, 18 February, 5 March and 26 March." This is rather unusual, if one considers that the dialogue has been proceeding at a very slow pace for about 10 years, and for almost 5 years (from 2002-2007) has been at a halt. The plenary meeting - which according to custom should have been held in June of 2009 - was also moved up. The statement says that "it was agreed to hold the next Plenary meeting on 23 April 2009," and that the packed agenda is intended to demonstrate the commitment of the two delegations to "accelerate the talks and conclude the agreement at the earliest opportunity."

In ecclesial circles in the Holy Land, this sudden hurry of the mixed commission is seen in connection with the desire to reach some result before the expected visit of Benedict XVI to the Holy Land. Although the Vatican has not yet confirmed or denied this, in Israel, Palestine, and Jordan it is thought that the pope will arrive in the Holy Land in the first half of May.

As in previous statements, the one released today also speaks of "an atmosphere of great cordiality and good will"; of work aimed at "achievement of the mutually desired accord" and of exchanges "significant and helpful" for "both sides." For almost 10 years, the Church and the state of Israel have been trying to reach an agreement to reconfirm the historical tax exemptions for the Church, and to agree on rules for the protection of Church property, especially the holy sites.



Also, I never  said the TEMPLE MOUNT is one of the properties mentioned in this accord.

As regards the Temple Mount, that would be part of the INTERNATIONALIZATION OF JERUSALEM, under auspices of the UN, with the Vatican overseeing it. Actually the UN has already started to act upon this, by deliberately restricting building rights for Jews in the Jewish Quarter, by DIRECT ORDER FROM THE UN ( I have a reliable witness whom Prof. Weiss and Rabbi Stein know quite well)

This is an entirely separate issue, which apparently was dealt with separately and personally by Shimon Peres, and there were leaks reported about this; the Italian newspaper La Stampa reported it in 1993, then in 1995 there was a  leak re: a cable sent from the Israeli Embassy in Rome to Israel, which was reported by the press here and later buried, according to which Shimon Peres had promised the pope privately to internationalize Jerusalem. He first denied it, and then by accident let it slip out of his mouth.



5, According to Asia News, the meetings were much more frequent recently on purpose,  to speed up everything

( Dec. 18,      Feb. 18,               April 23, )

- and don't forget the meeting at the VATICAN MARCH 31, last day of Olmert in office, for which Foreign ministry people few in, together with the police, to finalize everything before the pope's visit

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Breaking News



Ahead of pope's visit: Israeli mission leaves for Vatican

An Israeli delegation of police officers and Foreign Ministry officials left for the Vatican Tuesday, ahead of Pope Benedict XVI planned visit to Israel.

 The delegation will meet with Vatican officials in order to make the final arrangement for the pope's visit in May. (Efrat Weiss)

 





















6. Also, something here is not quite kosher:

Shmuel -ben-SHmuel said that they only have ONE plenary session per year, and this is a routine one?


Sorry, but the LAST plenary session with the Vatican took place December 18, 2008. That means 4 months ago, not a year ago. So why are they having one again, so soon after the last one? And they deliberately pushed this one closer, see above, to finish everything on time for the pope

CONFIRMED LIE #2


He also said that Jerusalem was not discussed:  what about Cesarea?



A. http://www.americancatholic.org/news/newsreport.aspx?id=555

Israeli and Vatican negotiators appear eager to finalize negotiations on fiscal and property matters prior to the pope's visit to the Holy Land, a source close to the negotiations said.


By Judith Sudilovsky
Catholic News Service
Tuesday, December 23, 2008
JERUSALEM (CNS)—Israeli and Vatican negotiators appear eager to finalize negotiations on fiscal and property matters prior to the pope's visit to the Holy Land, a source close to the negotiations said.
 
"Both the state of Israel and the representatives of the Holy See are very interested to finalize this," he said, adding that though he was unaware of any official policy, the pope's visit, reportedly in May, might be acting as an impetus for both sides to finish up negotiations.
 
In a statement following a plenary session at the Vatican Dec. 18, the negotiators said they have scheduled another plenary session for April 23 and four meetings of their working group which will take place starting in January with "the intent on both sides of accelerating the process and reaching an agreement as soon as possible."
 
The statement called the December meeting "significant and useful."
 
"Everybody is tired," said the source, who wished to remain anonymous. "The visit by the pope may be the time to finalize it."
 
Archbishop Antonio Franco, the Vatican nuncio to Israel and the Palestinian territories, could not be reached for comment.
 
The ongoing negotiations to safeguard the fiscal status of the Church in Israel and to protect holy places and other church properties have lasted for almost 15 years since the signing of the Fundamental Agreement in 1993. Full diplomatic relations were established in 1994 and three years later the parties signed an agreement that permitted the Catholic Church autonomy to run its own internal affairs, subject to Israeli laws. They now are trying to reach an agreement settling questions regarding the tax status and other financial questions related to Catholic institutions in Israel.
 
From the beginning of the negotiations in 1994, Vatican officials have asked Israel to:
 
- Guarantee Catholic access to juridical due process through the Israeli court system when property disputes arise. Israel's position has been that church-property disputes are matters to be handled by the government, not the courts.
 
- Formally extend the exemption from taxation enjoyed by church properties and institutions before Israeli statehood.

- Return confiscated church properties. The most discussed property has been the site of a church shrine, destroyed in the 1950s, in Caesarea.

 

B.http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15102

 There was one in May 2008 as well:


 With the "joint communique" released at the end of its work, yesterday, April 16, at the office of the Israeli foreign ministry, the Bilateral Permanent Working Commission of the Holy See and the state of Israel announced that it will hold its next plenary session on May 28, at the Vatican.

"Plenary" is the name given to the session presided over by the highest levels (just beneath the ministerial level) of the respective foreign dicasteries and also including other officials, in addition to those who take part in the "working" sessions that are held in the meantime, between one plenary session and the other. The plenary sessions have been resumed only since May 21, 2007, after a five year interval (since March 12, 2002 ), and it seems that the two parties intend to hold them every six months, as they have done since the first session of this new series.

7.Also, what he said re: the legal personality of the Church is not accurate. The LEGAL PERSONALITY AGREEMENT of the Church was only signed in 1997, by David Levy:


 













1.http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15066&geo=1&size=A#

VATICAN - ISRAEL
"Meaningful progress" in bilateral talks between the Holy See and Israel
Arieh Cohen
After meeting today, the bilateral commission issued an upbeat press release. Talks between the two sides have been ongoing since 1999. The commission's next meeting is scheduled for 30 April in Israel, just before the Pope's visit. Mgr Pietro Parolin and Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon will be present.

Tel Aviv (AsiaNews) – A meeting took place today in Israel of the Bilateral Permanent Working Commission between the Holy See and the State of Israel, which is currently negotiating (since 11 March 1999) a bilateral treaty on fiscal and property questions.

At the end of the meeting, which was held at an undisclosed location, the delegations published a joint communiqué, which spoke of "meaningful progress" having been achieved "by receiving a Report from a Working Group". For the rest, the communiqué reiterated the assurances that the talks were held in a climate of "great cordiality" and that both parties are committed to the goal concluding the comprehensive agreement "as soon as possible".

The communiqué also announces a plenary meeting, at Israel's Foreign Ministry, for 30 April. Under the commission's rules, the plenary is co-chaired by the respective  "deputy foreign ministers", at present, for the Holy See, the  Under-Secretary for Relations with States, Monsignor Pietro Parolin, and for the State of Israel, the Deputy Foreign Minister, Danny Ayalon (a former Ambassador to the US). Apparently this is the plenary that a December 2008 communiqué had scheduled for the 23rd.  This is only one of several changes to the calendar announced last December, which foresaw too meetings in March, on the 5th and on the 26th, neither of which appears to have taken place. That, combined with the rumours (never confirmed) of a meeting  supposed to have taken place during Holy Week, perhaps 7 April, (though without previous announcement or concluding communiqué), caused some speculation among observers  speculation about the direction of the negotiations.

However, today's upbeat, hopeful communiqué has laid to rest those worries, at least for the moment. It is widely known, of course, that these are, by their very nature, very tough, very complex negotiations, and that it must take some more time before they can conclude with the desired agreement.

Is the Agreement possible? To this question everyone today appears to be responding affirmatively, and the new joint communiqué appears to nod its assent.


2.Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-25705?l=english

Headway Made on Holy See-Israel Accords


Progress Intensifies Ahead of Papal Visit


JERUSALEM, APRIL 24, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Ahead of Benedict XVI's visit to the Holy Land, members of the Israel-Holy See Bilateral Permanent Working Commission report that "meaningful" progress is being made to conclude their agreements.

A working-level meeting of the commission met Thursday at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem to continue negotiations on the economic agreement regarding the fiscal system and Church properties.

"The meeting was characterized by great cordiality and a spirit of cooperation," stated a communiqué published jointly by the Holy See and Israel.

"Meaningful progress was achieved by receiving a report from a working group, and the delegations renewed their joint commitment to conclude the agreement as soon as possible," the note affirmed.

The commission will meet for a plenary session next Thursday at Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Since signing the Fundamental Agreement in 1993, which established diplomatic relations between the Holy See and Israel, the two sides have been negotiating the particulars of tax exemptions and property rights for the Church, in particular for the holy sites. Talks stopped altogether in 2003 for several years, and began again in 2005.

While the negotiations have nothing officially to do with Benedict XVI's visit to the Holy Land, which will take place May 8-15, sources in the Vatican explain that Israel is interested in the good image the Pope's visit can give to the nation, and the Church is interested in consolidating its presence in the Holy Land.



 IV: CONCLUSION: it is hard to find any truth to what Shmuel ben Shmuel said,( at least 2 confirmed lies were told by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), except for the fact that he acknowledged that a session will indeed take place April 30th at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Everything else is sophistry, double-speak, and/or outright falsehoods.


And mind you, he was speaking to a lawyer representing the Diaspora Yeshiva.

What do you say to that?????

 
DS


Re: THE GENOCIDE MECHANISM: This is exactly what the Israeli government is doing to the settlers: demonizing them, presenting them as a threat to the rest of the Israeli Jews. The goal is clear: GENOCIDE

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131075

Just on time, this article unfortunately supports my claim.

And of course, we are not even discussing the support given terror against the settlers, the removal of checkpoints, the false arrests, etc. etc.

There is a clear war of persecution being waged against us , not only by the Israeli government, but  by their handlers, the Western world powers, with all the ways leading to Rome.

DS






THE GENOCIDE MECHANISM: This is exactly what the Israeli government is doing to the settlers: demonizing them, presenting them as a threat to the rest of the Israeli Jews. The goal is clear: GENOCIDE


Thanks, A.M.


The psychology of turning a normal, rational person, into a crazed, genocidal killer is deceptively simple.  Watch how successfully it has been accomplished by Hamas and by Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas), leader of the PA and the remnants of Arafat's Fatah.  --  Allan.

THE GENOCIDE MECHANISM

Itamar Marcus    THE JERUSALEM POST    Apr. 25, 2009

The muslims occupying the ancient biblical Jewish lands have very possibly passed the stage of merely framing genocide, and are likely at the point of seeing the killing of all Israelis as fully "justified." All that is now  necessary for the muslim population to go along with the final solution are the means. . . .


Survivors of the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur spoke in Geneva this week at the parallel conference on human rights to counter the UN Durban II event. Listening to them describe how they were systematically demonized by the killers made it clear that genocide does not happen in a vacuum. The hate condition of a population willing and anxious to commit genocide needs nurturing. Genocide must be framed positively to get the necessary broad public support.

Common to the framing of all genocide is a very specific kind of demonization. In Rwanda, the Hutus taught that the Tutsis were cockroaches and snakes. Tutsi women were portrayed as cunning seductresses who used beauty and sexual power to conquer the Hutus. In Bosnia, a fictitious news report said Muslims were feeding Serb children to animals at the Sarajevo zoo. Radio Rwanda repeatedly broadcast a warning that Hutus were about to be attacked by Tutsis, to convince the Hutus that they needed to attack first to protect themselves.

This demonization included two specific compon­ents. First, the victims had to be perceived as a clear and present threat, so that the killers were convinced they were acting in self-defense. Second, the victims were dehumanized, so that the killers convinced themselves that they were not destroying real human beings.

A decent person will not join in a murder of innocents, but a decent person might join in the killing of a subhuman who is threatening his very existence. Framing genocide as self-defense can turn decent people into killers. Protection of children and family can turn a calm neighbor into a passionate murderer, because self-defense is always justified.

In Darfur and Rwanda, all that was necessary to turn a society of ordinary people into killers was to convince them that they were in danger, and that the people endangering them were less than human.

Looking back on Jewish history, it is clear that the method used to foment violence against Jews has always involved the same framing of "self-defense," with only the details changed.

So when Jews were falsely accused of poisoning wells in the Middle Ages, causing thousands of deaths, even decent people joined in the killings. They did not perceive themselves as murderers because they were defending themselves and their families.

When Jews were believed to be using blood of children for Passover matzot, even decent people felt comfortable massacring Jews, as they were defending their children from a horrific torture.

Even Hitler used this argument of self-defense in Mein Kampf: "In this case [given the Jews' threat to the German people] the only salvation remaining was war, war with all the weapons the human spirit, reason, and will could muster... If the Jew... is victorious over the peoples of this world, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity... Thus I believe today that I am acting according to the will of the almighty creator: When I defend myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Hitler, too, packaged his genocide as legitimate self-defense. The details may change in each society, but the framing is always the same.

Examining Palestinian hate promotion today, it is especially striking and disconcerting that these compon­ents of the past genocides against Jews are prominent elements of the hate promotion of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas against Jews and Israelis.

Two items on Hamas TV earlier this month clearly document this.

Hamas TV broadcast a skit featuring actors playing a Jewish father and son, in traditional hassidic garb, discussing the hatred of Muslims their Jewish religion mandated. The father even revives the age-old libel that Jews drink the blood of Muslims: "Shimon, look, my son, I want to teach you a few things. You have to hate the Muslims... we want to kill the Muslims, we Jews want to drink the blood of Muslims." He later criticizes his son for washing his hands in water before prayer: "We have to wash our hands with the blood of Muslims" (Al-Aksa TV, April 3). Ironically, the Hamas accusation that Jews drink Muslim blood came the week before Passover, the anniversary of many horrific blood libels.

That same day, a Hamas religious leader ended his sermon with the promise of eventual genocide of the Jews. But to frame it properly, he opened with a depiction of Jews as the enemies of humanity: The Jews are inherently evil, seek to rule the world and are a threat to Muslims and all of humanity.

This is how Ziad Abu Alhaj framed it: "Hatred for Muhammad and Islam is in their [Jews'] souls, they are naturally disposed to it... Israel is a cancer that wants to rule the world." He concluded that the Jews are destined to be annihilated: "The time will come, by Allah's will, when their property will be destroyed and their children will be exterminated, and no Jew or Zionist will be left on the face of this earth" (Al-Aksa TV, April 3).

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Worth watching: CHANGING WORLD DEMOGRAPHICS

Last minute plans: who would like to join me on a fact-finding, picture taking, interviewing, and possibly protesting mission on Yom Haatzmaut at Har Tzion? Leaving in the morning, staying a couple of hours, or as long as necessary?

http://images.google.com/images?q=David%27s%20Tomb&sourceid=navclient-ff&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-33,GGGL:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi


If you are interested, we can always discuss the details, where to meet, how to get there, etc. It is going to be warm on Yom Haatzmaut , from what I have heard, so earlier would be better, probably, I'd say, around 9-9:30 AM? Then we can plan what to do Thursday in front of the Foreign Ministry, watching the CD license plate cars arrive, around 10 AM, if they repeat Feb. 18th's program.

On Thursday we could be ready with massive signs, video cameras, tape recorders, and catch them in the act.

What do you say?

Hope you join.

DS

Monday, April 27, 2009

Boycott stamps.




BS'D
       S-HALOM uvracha, Daisy
            It is crucial that we begin a boycott of the
       'commemoration stamp' honoring the pope's visit
        (sic, really sick)!
             If many people purchasing stamps at their
        post offices throughout the country, refuse to
        buy this stamp, ...THE MONEY HUNGRY ISRAELI        
        POWERS  THAT BE ...WILL BE HIT
        IN THE POCKETBOOK!
             Let's get the message out via a press release.
                           With love of G-D and Eretz Yisrael
                                    Shifra Hoffman
     

Thought you might be interested...

Monday 27 April 2009

14:44
- POPE TO THE HOLY LAND: ISRAEL, TWO SETS OF STAMPS IN MEMORY OF HIS VOYAGE
The Embassy of Israel to the Holy See announced today that two sets of commemorative stamps will be issued in memory of Benedict XVI's next voyage to Israel and to the Holy Land (8-15 Mai). "The Israeli philatelic service said it would be issuing a special set of twelve stamps to celebrate the event. The first set will depict the biblical holy places which are relevant for Israel (on sale from 4 Mai) while the second will include some photographs taken during the papal visit." "Benedict XVI brought new hope, understanding, reconciliation and peace to the Holy Land amongst its people and religions. His visit will encourage pilgrimages and tourism to Israel," reads the information brochure. The holy places of the first set will include, among others, the Church of Dormition, Lake Tiberias, the Church of the primacy of Peter, the Church of the Beatitudes, the Transfiguration (Tabor), the Saint Sepulchre, the Annunciation, the Gethsemane and the Cenacle. The philatelic sets could be bought on line from 4 Mai on the Israeli Post office website at www.israelpost.co.il/pope.


Monday 27 April 2009
08:59 - POPE TO THE HOLY LAND: CUSTODY, MASS IN JERUSALEM WILL BE "AN EXCEPTIONAL EVENT"
"The stage will be a temporary construction and will receive about one hundred priests who will jointly celebrate Mass with Benedict XVI. From the altar, the Pope will be slightly looking to Jerusalem and will be able to gaze at the walls of the Holy City. I think it will be really an exceptional event". With these words, father Dobromir Jasztal, treasurer of the Custody of the Holy Land, speaks of the works going on in the Cedron Valley, in Jerusalem, where Benedict XVI will celebrate Mass in front of a crowd that has been estimated at 5000 people. "Currently – explains on the website the Franciscan friar in charge of overseeing the works –, we are working well at the ground. There will be no seats. We must protect the graves and be careful that the pilgrims will not sit or climb on them to get a better view. As we expect several thousands of pilgrims, we will also have to provide a larger entranceway than the current one. All this is being made in close cooperation with the security services. Big crowds of Christians are rare here, in Jerusalem, and this is one of the few occasions the Pope will be able to meet the local Christian community". "We want to preserve the natural environment of this land – he concludes –. The largest building site is the one for the altar: some olive trees will have to be moved and replanted later. They are hundreds of years old and they will take it on the chin".

Here is my interview today with Yishai Fleisher on Israel National Radio, Arutz 7 ( sharing it with another pope detective!) , about the Vatican and Har Zion saga.

I had reported about the recently closer ties between the Anglican and Catholic churches, apparently for political reasons. Let's not forget also that Queen Elizabeth II is a Knight of the Golden Fleece deferring to Juan Carlos, i.e. Rome

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE53Q4FY20090427

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Fleece

and I am sure there are lots of other ties I have not explored as well.

The pope is busy making alliances right and left: Russia, the Arab world, Great Britain.... what a friendly guy, you would think.

Emotional closure of sorts

B"H

It really hurts to see how this allegedly JEWISH government, supposed to defend the rights of its JEWISH citizens,instead abjectly BETRAYED ALL of us with this Vatican-Israel deal.

It hurts even more to see that the betrayal is still going on as we speak, even as regards Jerusalem.

What also hurts is the indifference of so many people to this national tragedy that should get us all sobbing and praying, and is instead met with an overall lack of concern - except for the select few who feel the way I do. Just barbecues, that is ALL we care about! Give us PANEM! Give us CIRCENSE !

Woe to this nation that forgets Jerusalem: what will become of her?

Still, at least it is a relief to know where to stand: worry, doubt, wavering about facts, are over. Instead is a dark, unhappy certitude, similar to the feeling a parent would feel, I imagine, after finding out their lost son died in a accident, God forbid.

And now, the recovery: what should we do? How should we react? What is the best course of action?

May God give us inspiration, guide us as to the best way to deal with this unmitigated man-made disaster.

Be'ezrat Hashem

DS

Sunday, April 26, 2009

THE DECEPTION PERPETRATED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ON ALL OF US JEWS; NEW INFO

B"H

To all trusted readers,

I have very bad and sad news for you, and the question is we  should do in response .

I received a telephone call from a trusted source, who told me that according to inside information from within the government, ALL the comprehensive agreement with the Vatican  is already signed: what they have to sign on Thursday are only the finishing touches ; what that tells me is that the contested Church properties have already been "returned" to the possession of the Catholic Church, just as the Russian Compound had been returned to Russia, without a beep of protest from us Jews. I was also told that both Chief Rabbis already know about it, that they both went to the Vatican recently, that everything is basically sealed and signed, and "OK".

Now mind you, all this has been happening BEHIND ALL THE JEWS' BACKS, WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION BEING GIVEN TO AM YISRAEL, IN ABSOLUTE SECRECY; THE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SIGNED ARE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND ON THE FOREIGN OFFICE'S WEBSITE.

Since I had received similar information from another trusted source re: the Cenacle Room earlier today, I have to assume that the information is correct.

After receiving these devastating news, I wanted to know if there is anything that can be done from the legal point of view, such as, for instance, SUBPOENA the documents.

I was put in touch with an Israeli lawyer - religious, according to his words -, and this is in essence what he explained to me - forgive me if I don't quote him exactly and correctly, as I am not an attorney.

1. SUBPOENA does NOT exist in Israel. What they have instead is the law of freedom of information.

2. If I were to contact the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as a citizen, requiring to see exactly WHAT has been signed, BY WHOM, AND WHEN, I would most likely receive bits and pieces of information, but they are not obligated to show me the whole accord.

3. If on the other hand, the DIASPORA YESHIVA, for instance, as a plaintiff , as an entity which will DIRECTLY suffer as a result of these accords,  were to request to see the whole documentation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs , the latter WOULD HAVE TO show it to them. However, the process can take about 6 weeks, way to long for our time frame.

4. I suggested to the lawyer that I, - or yourselves - as direct heirs of Avraham, Yitshak and Yaakov, would like to file a complaint because my - our-  inheritance has been personally damaged by this action; he said this would not stand in these courts. Even if a group of us did the same. No class action suit would work here ( at least according to him)

5. It is useless to do a BAGATZ, because they do not want to get involved in affairs of state, and at any rate, the state could claim secrecy for state protection.

6. However, at first he said that if we could find a lawyer to do a Bagatz tonight, in a few hours we could be in court, requesting the documents be unsealed: 1600 NIS court fees, plus attorney fees.And a good chance that at the end we get nothing. IS THERE AN ATTORNEY OUT THERE WILLING TO DO THE WORK PRO BONO, IF WE PAY THE COURT FEES???? Could that same attorney advise us whether it is worth it or not to do this: do we have a chance to get any information by tomorrow or Tuesday?

7.So the best course of action would be for the DIASPORA YESHIVA to HIRE AN ATTORNEY, and THROUGH AN ATTORNEY, REQUEST TO SEE THE COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION SIGNED BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE VATICAN RE: ALL THE PROPERTIES. AND ISRAEL would have to produce the document, although they might still find ways to get around it somehow, to a certain degree. And it would take about one and a half month to get the info, way after the pope's visit.

Unless, of course, they can obtain this information directlhy from the lawyer to the Vatican, if he is willing to simply show them the papers - but why would he, though, if everything was deliberately kept secret all along?

The lawyer I spoke to seemed interested in the fact that all these negotiations and signatures have been going on all this time in secret. He was also trying to find out from me exactly what was signed. But I myself AM trying to find out exactly the same thing! What are the terms, what was signed away, etc. etc.

So I think we need to ask the Diaspora Yeshiva to work with us, to help us discover ALL THE DIRTY DETAILS OF THIS ROBBERY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT OF AM YISRAEL.


THE BEITH DIN of the "SANHEDRIN" maybe has one of two things they could do at this time, from a halachic point of view, to ANNUL THIS AGREEMENT, whatever it is.

BUT, THERE IS STILL A PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT IS PENDING ON THURSDAY, AND FOR THAT, I THINK WE STILL CAN , AND NEED TO DO, MASSIVE DEMONSTRATIONS
. All we can do is demonstrate against this rotten pope and his church, and against this treasonous government that acted in secret, in cahoot with our enemy and his bloody clique, against the interests of the Jewish People.

Maybe there is a way - I didn't ask about that - to file criminal complaints against the people in the Israeli government who signed the documents, and who are responsible for the deception , once we find out who they are.

I am very upset, as I am sure you are too. I cannot believe the deception that was perpetrated by all government bodies, including the chief rabbis, on all of us. Shame on all of them, for as long as they live. This is no different from the secret deals done with the Nazis by the likes of Kasztner and Ben Gurion, on the back of all the Hungarian Jews. And being paid to do it too. Filthy, dishonest, bribed officials who should have cried foul to the high heavens, once they saw what was going on, and instead just kept silent and continued to pocket their fat salaries.

They should all rot in hell.

DS

ATTENTION! URGENT APPEAL TO ALL OUR FRIENDS: IT'S NOW, OR WE LOSE JERUSALEM! Below

B"H

Dear friends,

I am sure you all saw the article in A7 from Hillel Fendel, as well as the letter of Prof. Hillel Weiss.

1. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131032

,
אנו מבקשים להעביר לח"כ מיכאל בן ארי במהירות הבזק בקשה להצגת שאילתא מחר בכנסת2..
אנו רואים את הנושא כדחוף ביותר.
מבקש שסיעת ארץ שיראל שלנו תתכנס מיד ותדון באשר יש לעשות.
אפשר  לקיים קומזיץ ביום העצמאות[מנגל] ולשים יהודים, בובות על המנגל תחת הכותרת "לעולם לא עוד"
"
שותפי עמלק[הכוונה לותיקן] שלא תזכו.
Raus Benedictus
sanctus Pius is waiting
 
לקרוא לקומזיץ הזמנה למנגלויידים. [מסיבת יום העצמאות האחרונה למנגלו יידים] מספיק חמישים איש כדי לזכות בתקשורת מכאן ועד לסוף הגלובוס. עכשו כשאצא מהליצנות אני מבקש שתתיחסו בכובד ראש.
ענין הקומזיץ מתאים למרזל ובן גביר.
 
מכל מקום קראי את השאילתא והעבירי למיכאל.
הלל

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Now it is YOUR TURN. PLEASE DO NOT BE PASSIVE:
YOU DO NOT ACT, YOU LOSE JERUSALEM. And do not come crying later: the truth is , YOU can do something about it, no matter where you are.

1. WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE IN FRONT OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS IN JERUSALEM

2. WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE IN FRONT OF THE KNESSET IN JERUSALEM

3. WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE IN FRONT OF THE PRESIDENT'S RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.

4. NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD, YOU SHOULD DEMONSTRATE IN FRONT OF ISRAELI CONSULATES, AS WELL AS IN FRONT OF CATHOLIC MAJOR CENTERS, SUCH AS ST-PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, FORDHAM, ETC. ETC.

JERUSALEM'S FUTURE IS AT STAKE: IS JERUSALEM GOING TO BE A CATHOLIC CITY RULED BY THE VATICAN UNDER THE AEGIS OF THE U.N., WITH THE CHURCH AS AN ACTIVE, OPEN LORD OVER IT, SUCH AS IN SPAIN, MEXICO, ETC.?

OR IS JERUSALEM GOING TO REMAIN THE NERVE CENTER OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND OF ALL SINCERE BELIEVERS IN THE ONE AND TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL, no matter where in the world, and no matter your religion?

YOU WILL DECIDE THIS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

YOM HAATZMAUT, ISRAEL'S INDEPENDENCE DAY,  IS COMING, STARTING THIS TUESDAY NIGHT: INSTEAD OF REJOICING, WE SHOULD FAST, AND TEAR OUR CLOTHING . OUR ENEMIES, BOTH WITHIN AND WITHOUT , PLAN TO GIVE AWAY JERUSALEM THE VERY NEXT DAY, TO THE INQUISITOR, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHURCH THAT BURNT US, KILLED US, TORTURED US, ROBBED US FOR CENTURIES AND MILLENIA.

IF THEY COULD, THEY PROBABLY WOULD DELIGHT IN GIVING JERUSALEM ON  INDEPENDENCE DAY AS WELL. AFTER ALL, LOOK HOW THE EVIL ONES USED YOM HAATZMAUT FOR THE VERY SAME PURPOSE in 1992, almost to the day, 500 years after the Inquisition of Spain:

http://www.sidic.org/en/docOnLineView.asp?class=Doc00510

In the context of the day on which Jews celebrate Yom Ha Atzmauth (Israel's Independence Day, May 7), while recognizing that the question of diplomatic relations between the State of Israel and the Holy See is a matter of competence first and foremost for the Government of the State of Israel and the Vatican Secretariat of State, the Conference participants are conscious of the importance of this question also for Jewish-Catholic relations in general and express hope that significant progress in this regard will soon be achieved.

ON INDEPENDENCE DAY 1992, THE EVIL ONES OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE SOLD OUT JERUSALEM AND ISRAEL TO OUR ARCH ENEMY, ROME, THE INVADER, ROBBER, INQUISITOR, TORTURER, and EXECUTIONER of our people for 2000 years;  AND NOW, SEVENTEEN YEARS LATER, THEY ARE ABOUT TO DO IT AGAIN, seventy years after the Holocaust which THEY caused!

AND WHAT ABOUT REMEMBRANCE DAY ?DID ALL OUR SOLDIERS DIE FOR NOTHING? DID THE BRAVE BOYS WHO LIBERATED JERUSALEM DIE FOR NOTHING?



IT IS YOUR CHOICE NOW. WILL YOU JOIN US IN MASSIVE PROTESTS WORLDWIDE, OR WILL YOU STAY SILENT ONCE AGAIN????

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There is information that HAR TZION MIGHT ALREADY HAVE BEEN SIGNED AWAY, WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF AM YISRAEL.WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING OUT.

IF TRUE, WE WILL FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO DID IT, WHERE AND WHEN, AND IF SO , WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE RESPONSIBLE TRAITORS ARE PUNISHED AS SEVERELY AS THEY DESERVE.

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 So please, this time it is YOUR responsibility. ACT NOW, OR NEVER! Act for you, and for your children and grand-children, as well as for  freedom of the whole world from oppression by their bloody hands.

Thank you


Daisy J. Stern, MD

Prof. Weiss's initiative



From Professor Hillel Weiss: this is his initiative ( Another trusted person also deserves credit for the idea of the She'ilta)

לאלה קובלנץ היקרה,
אנו מבקשים להעביר לח"כ מיכאל בן ארי במהירות הבזק בקשה להצגת שאילתא מחר בכנסת.
אנו רואים את הנושא כדחוף ביותר.
מבקש שסיעת ארץ שיראל שלנו תתכנס מיד ותדון באשר יש לעשות.
אפשר  לקיים קומזיץ ביום העצמאות[מנגל] ולשים יהודים, בובות על המנגל תחת הכותרת "לעולם לא עוד"
"
שותפי עמלק[הכוונה לותיקן] שלא תזכו.
Raus Benedictus
sanctus Pius is waiting
 
לקרוא לקומזיץ הזמנה למנגלויידים. [מסיבת יום העצמאות האחרונה למנגלו יידים] מספיק חמישים איש כדי לזכות בתקשורת מכאן ועד לסוף הגלובוס. עכשו כשאצא מהליצנות אני מבקש שתתיחסו בכובד ראש.
ענין הקומזיץ מתאים למרזל ובן גביר.
 
מכל מקום קראי את השאילתא והעבירי למיכאל.
הלל

Here is a very good article that Hillel Fendel wrote on A7 about the issue of the Vatican-Israel agreement. Please forward, and WRITE TALKBACKS! Also, we need to ORGANIZE PROTESTS!!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131032

Israel's Control of Mt. Zion in Danger

Iyar 2, 5769, 26 April 09 12:00
by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) Ten-year-long negotiations between Israel and the Vatican appear to be drawing to a close, with concerns rising that Israel will cede control of the building housing King David's Tomb in Jerusalem.

The Bilateral Permanent Working Commission – a team of negotiators representing Israel and the Vatican – released an upbeat press release at the end of last week, speaking of "meaningful progress," "great cordiality," and a mutual commitment to reaching a final agreement "as soon as possible."

Tellingly, a plenary meeting has been announced for this Thursday, April 30, at the Foreign Ministry. The meeting will be chaired by the two states' deputy foreign ministers, Danny Ayalon and Monsignor Pietro Parolin. It is widely believed that the agreement will be signed then.

Church Demands Parts of Mt. Zion
The two states have been negotiating a treaty since March 1999 on matters having to do with Church-owned or Church-claimed property in Israel. Among the most significant issued under negotiations is the Vatican's demand for the Last Supper room, located on the second floor of the ancient Mt. Zion building that also houses the tombs of Kings David, Solomon, and Hezekiah.

In addition, the Vatican is claiming areas around the Kinneret Sea, as well as in Caesaria and Jerusalem.

Hints and implications in the Vatican and Catholic press have long indicated that the negotiations are expected to end successfully, from the Catholic vantage point, in time for Pope Benedict's visit to Israel two weeks from now.

"This is a shame and a disgrace of unequalled proportions," said Daisy J. Stern, M.D., who has been leading an information campaign on the topic. "Giving away these important areas has no Halakhic [Jewish legal] validity, of course, but signing it away will definitely make it very difficult to ever reclaim them."

Mt. Zion - International Center for Catholics?
At present, since shortly after the Six-Day War in 1967, the Diaspora Yeshiva has run the Mt. Zion compound, on which it is located, and warns of the catastrophic implications for Israel and the Jewish People if the deal goes through.

The director of the yeshiva explained that if the Catholic Church receives control of the area, just a few hundred yards from the Temple Mount and adjacent to the Old City walls, it will turn it into "the international center for Catholics all around the world, and if the pope just gives the word, Christians will be flocking over here en masse."

"This is an enormous issue that is being pushed through without any public debate whatsoever," he said.

Vatican Signs Agreement with Arab League
Dr. Stern notes that though there had been reports that an agreement might be signed last week, "nothing happened – except that while they [the Vatican representatives] were talking with Israel, they signed an agreement with the Arab League. This is very worrisome. There are no details on the agreement with the Arab League, except that it aims to promote 'peace, security and stability.' Who knows what that really means? Are they dividing up the spoils of the future Vatican agreement with Israel – or perhaps they are preparing for the next Arab war with Israel? We don't know."

"This new agreement with the Arab League renders the Vatican, most gravely, an interested party in the Israeli-Arab dispute," said Prof. Hillel Weiss of Bar Ilan University, who has been closely following the issue.

Of further concern is the fact that Israel is investing some 6 million shekels in upgrades and renovations to various sites in preparation for the Papal visit.  Work at the Last Supper room has been underway for some time.

Blueprint of an Agreement
A Foreign Ministry official confirmed in 2005 that a "blueprint of a possible agreement with the Vatican has been received."  The proposed contract, as Arutz-7 reported at the time, read as follows:

"The State of Israel hands over to the Holy See the use of the Cenacle [the room of the event known as the Last Supper, above King David's tomb - ed.], of the access path to it, and of the spaces adjacent to it... It is the Holy See's intention to inform the Bishops - and through them the world's Priests - that the Catholic Church has been given the use of the Cenacle, inviting them to visit the Holy Place together with their faithful... The Holy See hands over this use of the Cenacle to the Custody of the Holy Land [which acts on behalf of the Holy See]... [which] will keep the Cenacle open from 6 AM to 8 AM for the celebration of the Holy Mass... Official liturgical celebrations of non-Catholic Churches can take place only upon prior written permission by the Custody of the Holy Land."

The proposed agreement also stipulated that the Holy See will preserve the historic character of the site and keep it open to pilgrims and tourists, and that Israel will provide for the safety of the site. The Foreign Ministry official said at the time that "Israel is not prepared to relinquish its jurisdiction over this area." The world will find out later this week whether this position is still valid.

Rabbi Mordechai Goldstein, who founded and still runs the Diaspora Yeshiva, officially known as Yeshiva Toras Yisrael. He has told Arutz-7 in the past that, "according to their bible, the Land is to return to the Christians, and 144,000 Jews are to return to Mt. Zion. Their plan is for them to take control of the site, and then to announce that they are holding a mass reenactment of the Last Supper, with [all types of religious rituals], and to invite millions of Christians to come to Jerusalem and celebrate." Rabbi Goldstein said that this means much tourism money for Israel, and that someone in the Israeli government is apparently very interested in making this happen.                 

The King David's Tomb complex, some 100,000 square feet, is "certainly one of the holiest spots in the Land of Israel," a yeshiva source said. "David, Solomon and others kings of Judea are said to be buried here. We've already given away the Temple Mount and the Machpelah Cave, except for here and there when we're allowed in; now they want to give Mt. Zion away as well? For thousands of years, this area was almost always totally closed off to Jews. G-d gave it back to us in 1948, but parts of it were still in range and sight of Jordanian snipers and were not in full use. After 1967, Rabbi Goldstein founded the Diaspora Yeshiva here - and it became an island of holiness, the first yeshiva for baalei teshuvah [newly religious] in Israel; we were there day and night learning Torah. Rabbi Goldstein was almost prophetic in establishing this yeshiva at that time at that spot; destiny from above intertwined him with Mt. Zion."                       

Dr. Stern and others are attempting to organize a public protest, beginning with an email and fax  campaign to Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon, who will represent Israel at the Thursday meeting.  The Director-General of the Foreign Ministry can be emailed at mankal@mfa.gov.il, and the fax number is 02-5303704 (from abroad, replace leading 0 with 972).

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Re: URGENT! Next plenary session, April 30th: THIS IS HOW AND WHEN THEY MET AT THE FOREIGN MINISTRY LAST TIME: 10 AM, arriving in a convoy of CD license plate marked motor vehicles

Jerusalem (AsiaNews) – The Bilateral Permanent Working Commission
between the Holy See and the State of Israel met on Wednesday 18
February, at the seat of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to
continue negotiating a treaty that would confirm the fiscal status of
the Church in Israel, and safeguard her properties, especially the
sacred places, as well as bring about restitution of some that have
been lost over time. These negotiations began on 11 March 1999.

The convoy of motor vehicles with diplomatic number plates, with on
board the negotiators for the Holy See,
was seen arriving at the
Foreign Ministry a little before 10 a.m.
, and leaving again a little
before 1 p.m.
The negotiators did not grant interviews, and only
spoke, together with the Israeli Foreign Ministry, through a joint
communiqué. Interest has been aroused by the fact that this time the
communiqué speaks of "progress" that was achieved, beyond repeating
the usual references to an atmosphere of "great cordiality" and to the
shared determination to conclude the agreement "as soon as possible"






B"H


To all



Please read the reports from AsiaNews and Zenit Agency ( Vatican, Rome) below: the signing is just about to occur NEXT WEEK.

Everybody who cares about whom Jerusalem belongs to, The JEWISH PEOPLE OR THE VATICAN, NEEDS TO ENLIST, TO PREVENT THEIR SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT NEXT THURSDAY, THE DAY AFTER YOM HAATZMAUT.

DANNY AYALON IS THE BAD GUY DOING IT!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ayalon

So now we found out that this government is absolutely no different from the previous one, the foreign ministry, even though warned, continues on this treasonous path. Danny Ayalon is DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER.

THIS IS A BUSHA VECHERPAH TO WHICH THERE IS NO EQUAL.


PLEASE GET EVERYBODY OUT THERE, PASS IT AROUND, WE NEED TO URGENTLY HAVE MASS PROTESTS, I WOULD SAY IN FRONT OF THE FOREIGN MINISTRY, IN FRONT OF THE KNESSET, AROUND THE CLOCK, TO STOP THEM FROM SIGNING. WE HAVE ONLY A FEW DAYS LEFT. WE NEED TO START IMMEDIATELY!

Address and other information about the Foreign Ministry :


E-mail addresses:

  Foreign Minister's office - sar@mfa.gov.il
  Director General's office - mankal@mfa.gov.il
  Public Relations - pniot@mfa.gov.il

 Ministry Address:

  Ministry of Foreign Affairs
  9 Yitzhak Rabin Blvd.
  Kiryat Ben-Gurion
  Jerusalem 91035
  Tel. 972-2-5303111
  Fax 972-2-5303367

 







TO ALTo





1.http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15066&geo=1&size=A#

VATICAN - ISRAEL
"Meaningful progress" in bilateral talks between the Holy See and Israel
Arieh Cohen
After meeting today, the bilateral commission issued an upbeat press release. Talks between the two sides have been ongoing since 1999. The commission's next meeting is scheduled for 30 April in Israel, just before the Pope's visit. Mgr Pietro Parolin and Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon will be present.

Tel Aviv (AsiaNews) – A meeting took place today in Israel of the Bilateral Permanent Working Commission between the Holy See and the State of Israel, which is currently negotiating (since 11 March 1999) a bilateral treaty on fiscal and property questions.

At the end of the meeting, which was held at an undisclosed location, the delegations published a joint communiqué, which spoke of "meaningful progress" having been achieved "by receiving a Report from a Working Group". For the rest, the communiqué reiterated the assurances that the talks were held in a climate of "great cordiality" and that both parties are committed to the goal concluding the comprehensive agreement "as soon as possible".

The communiqué also announces a plenary meeting, at Israel's Foreign Ministry, for 30 April. Under the commission's rules, the plenary is co-chaired by the respective  "deputy foreign ministers", at present, for the Holy See, the  Under-Secretary for Relations with States, Monsignor Pietro Parolin, and for the State of Israel, the Deputy Foreign Minister, Danny Ayalon (a former Ambassador to the US). Apparently this is the plenary that a December 2008 communiqué had scheduled for the 23rd.  This is only one of several changes to the calendar announced last December, which foresaw too meetings in March, on the 5th and on the 26th, neither of which appears to have taken place. That, combined with the rumours (never confirmed) of a meeting  supposed to have taken place during Holy Week, perhaps 7 April, (though without previous announcement or concluding communiqué), caused some speculation among observers  speculation about the direction of the negotiations.

However, today's upbeat, hopeful communiqué has laid to rest those worries, at least for the moment. It is widely known, of course, that these are, by their very nature, very tough, very complex negotiations, and that it must take some more time before they can conclude with the desired agreement.

Is the Agreement possible? To this question everyone today appears to be responding affirmatively, and the new joint communiqué appears to nod its assent.






2.Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-25705?l=english

Headway Made on Holy See-Israel Accords


Progress Intensifies Ahead of Papal Visit


JERUSALEM, APRIL 24, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Ahead of Benedict XVI's visit to the Holy Land, members of the Israel-Holy See Bilateral Permanent Working Commission report that "meaningful" progress is being made to conclude their agreements.

A working-level meeting of the commission met Thursday at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem to continue negotiations on the economic agreement regarding the fiscal system and Church properties.

"The meeting was characterized by great cordiality and a spirit of cooperation," stated a communiqué published jointly by the Holy See and Israel.

"Meaningful progress was achieved by receiving a report from a working group, and the delegations renewed their joint commitment to conclude the agreement as soon as possible," the note affirmed.

The commission will meet for a plenary session next Thursday at Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Since signing the Fundamental Agreement in 1993, which established diplomatic relations between the Holy See and Israel, the two sides have been negotiating the particulars of tax exemptions and property rights for the Church, in particular for the holy sites. Talks stopped altogether in 2003 for several years, and began again in 2005.

While the negotiations have nothing officially to do with Benedict XVI's visit to the Holy Land, which will take place May 8-15, sources in the Vatican explain that Israel is interested in the good image the Pope's visit can give to the nation, and the Church is interested in consolidating its presence in the Holy Land.