Friday, May 27, 2011

A debate: was the Rabbi Uri Dasberg car accident only an accident, or was it deliberate murder by "you know who'??

 Yesterday I received the following e-mail conversation from one of our correspondents:


 C. writes to N.:

Dear N.,


DS was right when she told us who was the ENEMY.

Second time around....this time Rav Dasberg.

Those poor children.

Years back, when Ruth and Michael came to visit, they brought the book "Dvir."

My grandchildren continuosly keep reading the book....over and over again.

How sad.... what cruel people among us.


N. replies:
Rav Uri Dasberg lost control of the car.
It is of course always easier for the grief to believe Arabs did it but this time there is no way around:
it is the Jewish car that swerved off road and crashed into the Arab truck and not the opposite
I wish I could blame the Arab truck-
Anyway- it is  a terrible tragedy


M. added:

My friend working in Alon Shvut tells me the same story

So this is what I wrote back to C.:

"Very nice. Still, ask yourself, why did he lose control of the car: was he sick? Did the car have a malfunction? Or was there an extraneous element that forced him to lose control?
I have driven on that road countless times, and repeatedly  Arabs have tried to drive me off the road, either to the left or to the right . Only with G-d's help did I not collide with another vehicle so far. They do that for sport, N. could tell you that. What is easier than to follow an elderly gentleman in hot pursuit until he loses control? My landlady, B., lost a daughter in another so-called 'car accident'  of that nature years ago: some Arab threw a rock at her while she was driving, she lost control of the car, veered to the embankment, the car overturned, and her 12 year old daughter was killed.
Then consider that Barry's car was simply SABOTAGED twice, and only by miracle did he survive his car accident. After that he left the country for good..
So here, three ways in which Rabbi Dasberg could have lost control of his car.
Pending  medical confirmation that he suffered either a stroke, a heart attack, or some similar event while driving, or that he fell asleep at the wheel, or if there is proof that the car was defective, not sabotaged, I say, 'guilty until proven otherwise'. Too many rabbis have been killed in 'car accidents' in the recent past and earlier too. Too easy to let "them" off the hook this time. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... in addition there was a motive: the news media were full of stories of how "it's sad, but he was a right-wing extremist". And the fact that he and his wife apparently caused problems to the israeli gov. with their lawsuit against Hamas in the US, etc. is an additional factor. Then there is her and his heavy involvement in the settler movement. Not to mention the secret Oslo agreements that clearly demand the assassination of settler leaders. WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, a leader? Please review the post    " Again a rabbi..." , which I have updated with new information and links.
So I say, at the present time there is no proof of course, it will be very hard to prove , but it is very, very suspicious: there is a motive, there is a modus operandi, and there is a policy. What we need now is a private investigation to confirm or disprove my contention. Who will do it? I sure hope the family hires a private investigator to evaluate everything on the plate here."

I sent that discussion to a number of trusted friends, with a request that they give their honest opinion about it. So here are various responses to the debate about the Dasberg ' accident': was it an accident, or was it "terror", i.e. deliberate murder by the Israeli/other PTB? I think there is enough material here, enough evidence, enough smart thinking, to make it crystal clear that we are not dealing with isolated, unrelated incidents; the consensus is: this was a HIT too! There is a deliberate pattern that only the most obtuse or ideologically brainwashed person would fail to see. It seems the Dati-Leumi population fits in that last category. What will it take to open their eyes? How dumb can they be? Is there such a thing as acquired stupidity? After all, Jews are supposed to be pretty smart; whatever happened to our legendary brains, please tell me? How can a whole population be brainwashed to the extent that they refuse to see or hear the truth even when it is staring them in the face? Or....is it that the Hebrew media are not conveying this information properly? In which case I believe it is OUR duty, Anglos and other Western country immigrants, to do our utmost to open their eyes. After all, how can there be change without first awareness of the problem? So it appears that the Dasberg 'accident' might fit perfectly in the general picture: all we need to do is connect the dots and find the missing evidence.

However, there is one, important, dissenting opinion. In this particular case - Rabbi Dasberg - there may be truth to it after all. Still, it doesn't negate the overall pattern, which is very clear, and repeats itself over and over and over.

Please refer back to the following posts in order to get the full picture:



Shabbat Shalom

DS


From David:

I have a very strong feeling you are right.
I have been speaking about it several times .
What can be done about it ?
I have also taken those roads many times.

and
I do know for sure they did have survivors of terror stricken families on their HIT LISTs.
For the simple reason that the effect is horrifying.

A LA GUERRE COMME A LA GUERRE
David Pisanti.


From SW:


It is very unlikely that considering all facts known "accidents" are actually so.
Lets not forget that Moshe Feiglin's son also got "accidented".
There are too many such things to chalk it up to circumstantial.
But I would not only fill the suspects line up with local official agents. I would suggest to include in the list of suspects rabid unJews with experience in murdering opponents, foreign Secret Services supported or assigned operatives, etc.
PS:  Remember my report supported by a police file that got "buried"?
Two uniformed types tried to "accident" me as well.
 ......

It is really tragic how we seem unable to understand risk, danger, ill intent, evidence even if that glares at us right in front of us.  And we cannot hate and plan to destroy our declared enemies.

The JINO's, Jews in name only or AKA unJews, understand that and mercilessly work to harm Jews and Jewish Heritage.

We as a people need to learn the rules of survival and that does not mean squeak a few survivors out of massacres.  It means learn to identify enemies and work to destroy them.


 From Jack:


I have not kept track but at one time, 3% of all people killed in the Oslo War (the war of terrorism following the Oslo accord) were specifically rabbis living in Yesh'a. All the Jewish inhabitants of Yesh'a were 3% of the population and if you add leaders in Yesh'a who were not rabbis, the percentage is even higher. So many of them have obviously been authorized hits, directed by the Yevsektsia (the mahkeqet hayehudit -- direct translation from the Russian name of the Jewish Section of the old NKVD) that I think it's stupid not to assume that all such incidents are. Another rabbi? A second hit on the same family? I don't even know how often that happens but it is often enough that one can't help noticing when it happens again and again and again. This is a civil war being fought by one side only, using "Palestinian" proxy warriors. Our side will not catch on.


From Anonymous:

Today I saw in Makor Rishon that Rabbi dasberg had returned on that same morning from a trip abroad (they are a Jewish Dutch family).
so I tend to think that this was a stroke or a blood clott or something like that.
The son of my family's friends died the same way, he returned in the morning from an overseas trip, rather than taking a day of rest he, like Rabbi Dasberg decided to go to work and his car crashed into a wall near Tel Aviv.
So maybe it was an accident.


From Moshe:

this is truly sick... perhaps this will help... ask your readers the following... what are the chances that these many rabbis or their family members or mks or their family members could be involved in sudden illnesses or traffic accidents over the course of let's say just the past 5 yrs alone...? what are the odds that this all happened randomly in one community of the yesha residents...?

they are being targetted plain and simple... anyone who does not realize the truth of this is either blind or willingly blind... the chances that all of this is just by mere coincidence are staggering... off-the-charts staggering... there are no numbers to utilize to put this in a rational perspective... the mathematical equation required to demonstrate this and attribute this... to chalk it up to being by sheer accident is way way out there on this one... and this is what people should be focusing upon... the leaders (lay and rabbinic) of the opposition to oslo are all being systematically attacked... this is not by chance... this is by design... and all who fail to see this are either ignorant, petrified or complicit... mosh.out...

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From Barry:

                                                
THEY'RE KILLING THE ORTHODOX OF ISRAEL
by Barry Chamish

       Another sad call from Israel. The lady lets me know that Rina Kushland was stabbed in the liver. After three operations she was going to pull through. But because Rina is a hareidi lady there was no publicity and the police aren't seeking her assailants. Rina was my brave partner in protest. She stood by me at Rabin's 10th anniversary rally, passing out those explosive flyers. A few days later, I drove her from the Netanya rally to her home in Kiryat Sefer. Unfortunately there were two flat tires arranged for me and she got home in a tow truck.
       But war has been declared on the religious and especially those fighting for their homes. Rina was just a lovely victim. Look what happened to the religious from Jan.19 - Jan. 29:
       Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg was the first to suffer from an errant car. It veered off the road and killed his grandson. Rav Ginsburg is a Chabad firebrand, arrested falsely after the Rabin murder as an indirect conspirator. Lately he put up a highly unpopular yeshivah in the Frankist capital of Ramat Aviv Gimel.
      The last accident was to the son of Rabbi Moti Elon. His family includes the hapless Margalit Har Shefi, set up to be a conspirator in the Rabin murder. She has not returned to full humanity since her 9 month prison term.
       Strange that both asterisks in the Rabin murder fiasco suffered such similar losses. But they were the start of the strange political revenge taking place against their people. Ami Popper killed seven Arabs. He is married to the sister of the Kahane Chai thinker Lenny Goldberg and fathered three children on his furloughs. We can only guess that he was hypnotized to drive a car without a license and swerve it into traffic north of Eilat, killing his wife and two sons. The Arabs had long wanted their vengeance against Popper and the Prison Services, we surmise, decided to pitch in.
       The Eilat killing ground worked out so well because just six days earlier, a truck driver for reasons unfathomable to his interrogators, switched lanes at the last second and smashed into a van full of prominent Chabad youth. Two of the three dead were the sons of learning institute directors.
       Now me, for a passing moment. I ran from  Israel last May when a car appeared from nowhere and smacked into my door full speed. I was invited to an Independence Day party outside Modiin by a lady who later sent me an insane letter from Hadassah Hospital:

"why didnt you take me seriously
barry
i am carrying on your legacy
not the way you did of course
i dont have your qualifactions
i have a tambourine"


        My friend Baruch called from Israel. He spoke to my lawyer and my insurance company. Both insisted they can't go on because the police won't release my accident report.
        But today, all is different. Every victim is orthodox. On Jan.27, in Ramat Bet Shemesh, a Hareidi woman was found dead in a field. She was snatched and buried before we knew what killed her.
        There is murder in the Knesset! We know Ariel Sharon shared tea with Shimon Peres in the Knesset on Dec.18/05 and then suffered a stroke. This time orthodox politician Nisim Zeev took a sip of water from the table of the Knesset Foreign Affairs Committee. He immediately vomited and then passed out. At Hadassah Hospital, poison was found in goodly amounts throughout his body.
        "I was poisoned," he exclaimed...
        In Israel's final solution to the religious problem, I add.                  
                                

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18:40 Jan-28-07 / 9 Shevat 5767

IsraelNN.com) An external physical examination carried out on a haredi-religious woman in Hadassah Ein Karem Hospital has ruled out foul play. The body has been taken to burial.
The woman's body had been found Saturday in a field near her home in Ramat Beit Shemesh, not far from Jerusalem. Members of the haredi-religious community whisked her body away and hid it from police, for fear an autopsy would be carried out. Post-mortem surgery is contrary to Jewish orthodox law.
The external examination of the body was the product of a compromise reached between haredi-religious rabbis and the police.

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The son of R. Moti Elon was seriously injured in a car accident a number of hrs. ago
In the light of his difficult situation he has had a name added and the Rav requests to inform people
MK Ze'ev: Someone Poisoned Me
16:40 Jan 24, '07 / 5 Shevat 5767

(IsraelNN.com) MK Nisim Ze'ev (Shas) felt ill Wednesday after drinking water during a parliamentary committee session, and suspects he was poisoned. Ze'ev drank several sips of water from a thermos placed on the table during a meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Security Committee, when he felt ill and dizzy and began vomiting. "I immediately told the committee chairman that there had been an attempt to poison me and that someone needs to investigate if there was an attempt to poison the committee members," Ze'ev told Ynet.
Ze'ev was whisked away from the Knesset by an ambulance. He says the initial tests showed a high level of poisonous materials in his body.
Four officers from the Police Criminal Detection Laboratory came to the Knesset and took...


Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:29 +0200
Yediot Ahronot, in its third editorial, refers to a recent case in which a mass murderer, who was out of prison on furlough, caused a deadly traffic accident en route to a holiday in Eilat with his family, and criticizes the fact that he was allowed out of prison at all.
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19/12/06
R-L) Hatomim Yonatan Biton A滴, Hatomim Moshe Golan A禰 and the Tomim Levi Hendel A"H.
The tidings of the tragic event in Eilat has shocked and bewildered Chabad communities in Israel, shocked at the results of the fatal accident claiming the lives of three Chabad bochrim on their way to mivtzaim in Eilat. Additionally, four other bochrim were hurt at the Tsichor - Eilat intersection. One of the injured bochrim was flown to the Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva and had managed to speak to his parents before he was operated on.

DETAILS OF THE CASUALTIES:

THE TOMIM LEVI HENDEL, A'H, OF MIGDAL HAEMEK, 14 YEARS OLD, STUDENT OF SHIUR ALEPH OF TOMCHEI TEMIMIM IN LOD, SON OF RABBI YISROEL YOSEF HENDEL, RABBI OF THE CHABAD COMMUNITY OF MIGDAL HAEMEK. HIS LIVAYA IS TAKING PLACE TOMORROW IN MIGDAL HAEMEK.

THE TOMIM YONATAN BITON, A'H, OF ASHKELON, 17 YEARS OLD, STUDENT OF TOMCHEI TEMIMIM IN KIRYAT GAT. YONATAN,A'H, AN DHIS FAMILY ARE PART OF ANASH IN ASHKELON. HE WAS A FORMER STUDENT OF CHABAD INSTITUTES: TOMCHEI TEMIMIM OF NACHALAS HAR CHABAD AND TOMCHEI TEMIMIM OF LOD AND OF KIRYAT GAT.

THE TOMIM MOSHE GOLA, A'H, OF YERUSHALAYIM, 17 YEARS OF AGE AND STUDENT OF SHIUR ALEPH OF THE TOMCHEI TEMIMIM YESHIVA OF KIRYAT GAT, SON OF MRS. DANIELA GOLAN, DIRECTOR OF THE 'OR CHAYA' ACADEMY IN YERUSHALAYIM. HIS LIVAYA WILL SET OUT AT 11:00 O'CLOCK FROM THE SHAMGAR BURIAL HOME IN YERUSHALAYIM


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