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B"H

Shavuah Tov to all,

Over Shabbat I had a chance to speak to a rabbi who is familiar with the other side of the story - Noar K'halachah and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef.  I was very surprised to find out that what actually happened here, is that ACRI and Physicians for Human Rights were sought out by the organization Noar K'halachah, - a group which operates in other cities as well, such as Beth Shemesh, etc.,- and not vice-versa. What this rabbi told me is that, in fact, there is a lot of discrimination in the Chassidic community against Sephardim; that the Sephardim do feel discriminated against; and that they had tried for years to come to some kind of agreement with the Chassidic community, to no avail; that instead of dialogue they had encountered violence and rebuttal; and that they therefore felt they had no choice but to turn to the regular courts for help, with a situation they felt was intractable.

The truth is, I am not saying that the Haredi world is absolutely without fault. I know they can be quite hurtful towards people who don't uphold their standards, and we know that in Meah Shearim it is not infrequent for  hoodlums to assault even seminary girls, - Ashkenazi, mind you -  who wear outfits not to the hoodlums' liking.  It is known that the Chassidic world is no stranger to violence, unfortunately. And there are many scandals in the community, brushed under the rug. So I do not want to paint the Haredi world, which is very diversified, by the way, and comprises a lot more than just Chassidim, as a world of angels: it is not.

Still, in this case, even the rabbi I spoke with agreed that mistakes had been made, and that the results are not good for Am Yisrael.

For a background on Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, a main instigator of the lawsuit:

 14 February 08

From two years ago:

(Israelnationalnews.com) Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, the eldest son of the current spiritual leader of the Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, is charging the party with endangering Jews.

Rabbi Yaakov Yosef said the Shas party should immediately quit the government or bear responsibility for putting Israel in grave danger.

He charged Wednesday that Shas can no longer use the excuse that negotiations with the Palestinian Authority to surrender parts of Jerusalem are far from fruition. ....

Yosef said that Shas is betraying the decision of the Council of Torah Sages and putting the entire Jewish people in endanger by remaining in the government. He added that Shas would garner a lot of popular support from strong pro-Israel voters if it quit the coalition.

Shas sources say that Yosef has disagreed politically in the past with his father, the party’s spiritual leader and said that Yosef’s views do not reflect the positions of his father or of the Shas party.

It appears to me that Rabbi Yaakov Yossef is basically a good man, and he meant well. He follows in the footsteps of Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, Z"L, it seems, who wanted integration of all Jews above all. But this concept led Rabbi Yaakov Yosef to make a big mistake and do something very, very bad, which is, to involve FOREIGN, EXTREMELY HOSTILE ELEMENTS such as ACRI, into the controversy; such groups are actively looking for, and welcoming such opportunities to cause Am Yisrael terrible damage. And the fact that he turned to the secular courts, with their severe animus against the Haredi world, was even more damaging to the religious public.

The fact is, his father, and the Shas party's Council of Torah Sages, are OPPOSED to this idea, and with good reason:

"Shas Sages: Dialogue; Only Religious Courts

Tammuz 6, 5770, 18 June 10 02:32

(Israelnationalnews.com) The Shas party's council of Torah sages said Thursday evening that people should go only to rabbinic courts on matters like the Ashkenazic-Sephardic integration of a school in the Binyamin Region Jewish community of Emmanuel.
Following a meeting in which they were briefed on Thursday's demonstrations on behalf of parents who preferred going to jail, the sages also said matters such as this can be dealt with through dialogue."

INVITING THE FORD FOUNDATION, THE NEW ISRAEL FUND, AND THE SECULAR COURTS  INTO A CONTROVERSY BETWEEN TWO RELIGIOUS FACTIONS CAN ONLY LEAD TO MUCH TROUBLE FOR AM YISRAEL, AND WORSE.

So now, with good reason, the Haredim are absolutely furious at Rabbi Yaakov Yosef. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

"Protesters Attack Rabbi Yaakov Yosef

Tammuz 5, 5770, 17 June 10 02:59

(Israelnationalnews.com) Hareidi-religious protesters attempted to attack Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, son of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, former Chief Sephardic Rabbi. A similar incident occurred Wednesday night in Jerusalem, as well.
The younger Rabbi Yosef is one of the leading signatories to the petition against the Emanuel school parents, who are seeking to separate their daughters from some Sephardic children in the Beit Yaakov school in Emanuel. 

Yet, despite what my friend the rabbi told me this Shabbat, it seems that at the Emanuel school in particular, there was NO anti-Sephardi animus. Read the following report, based on the testimony of Mordechai Bass, a lawyer sent by the Ministry of Education to investigate the Beit -Yaakov Emanuel school, following the lawsuit:

The Case of Beis Yaakov Chasidic School for Girls in Emmanuel, Israel

Wednesday June 16, 2010 12:32 PM - 8 Comments

[Report courtesy of Beis Yaakov Emanuel] Background: The Beis Yaakov Chasidi was founded in 2007, the small town of Emanuel, Israel, as a stricter alternative to the original Beis Yaakov. Two of its founders were Rav Shimon Ba’adani of Bnei Brak and Rav Bar Lev, Rabbi of Emanuel. It placed in the top floor of the original Beis Yaakov in the vacated rooms that used to belong to the high school; the high school had moved to its own building in 2004.
There are two other girls’ schools in Emanuel - the Chabad Lubavitch school, founded in the late 1990’s, and the Beit Rachel and Leah, under the Shas-Mayan network of Sephardic schools, founded in 2007. The three boy’s schools were then and continue to be Chabad Lubavitch, Shas-Mayan Sephardic, and Chassidic.
What makes the Beis Yaakov Chasidi school different is its standards, in particular standards concerning tznius, no MP3s, exposure to media, etc.
The original Beis Yacov was largely comprised of Chassidic families. The demographics here changed. Members of the chassidic community were moving out, and the flavor the original Beis Yaakov was becoming more modern. Outreach programs began in an effort to encourage people to move the original Beis Yaakov back towards its original narrower interpretation of the Israeli Haredi lifestyle. This outreach did not succeed, so the Chassidim formed their own school - in their minds, returning to the original school’s former style.
The formation of the Beis Yaakov Chasidi was an effort by members of the original Chassidic population here to re-create the kind of Beis Yaakov that they had a decade ago. It was a stricter school - in terms of dress, exposure to media, even to some aspects of Haredi culture that they feel is not for them as in Haredi “rock music”, choice of careers, etc.
LAWSUIT
Upon its opening, an individual who does not reside in Emanuel sued the school for ethnic discrimination, claiming that this was a school for Ashkenazi students only.
RAV SHIMON BA’ADANI FORBIDS USING SECULAR COURTS AND SECULAR MEDIA
HaRav HaGaon Rav Ba’adani wrote a letter that was distributed to every family in Emanuel in 2007 forbidding the bringing of grievances to the secular media or courts, and that any grievance must be brought to a religious court. It is a widely held practice to air grievances with the local Rabbi before going to religious court.
Rav Ba’adani is widely respected in the Haredi world. It is unlikely that anyone in the Beis Yaakov Chasidi or the original Beis Yaakov or Beit Rachel and Leah (the newly founded girls’ Sephardic School, unnoticed by the media or courts) or the Sephardic boys’ school or the Chassidic boys’ school would bring complaints to the secular media.
INVESTIGATION BY MINISTRY OF EDUCATION
Shulamit Amichai, the head of the Ministry of Education in 2007, sent attorney Mordechai Bass to investigate the situation. His states, “The division was not ethnic, it was religious. I am convinced that there is no ethnic discrimination.” (See synopsis at bottom of page).
30% of the girls attending Beis Yaakov Chasidi are Sephardic, not including those of blended heritage. 20% of the students in the original Beis Yaakov are Ashkenazi, many have blended heritage.
The guiding principles of our community are its various philosophies, not heritage. The leaders of the Beis Yaakov Chasidi really did not know or care who was Sephardic, Ashkenazic, newly religious, religious for generations, until this issue hit the news and they had to answer this question.
COURT HEARING APRIL 29 2010
The parents of the girls in the Beis Yaakov Chasidi who happen to be Sephardic petitioned to meet with the Supreme Court Judge Levi during the initial phases. He refused to meet with them. The very first time the judge met with the parents was on April 29 2010. Only half the parents were allowed into the court, as there were many spectators in the courtroom. But if these parents were subpoenaed, shouldn’t the court have made room for them?
None of the parents were put on the stand or cross-examined.
Judge Levi ordered representatives of the Beis Yaakov Chasidi to work out a compromise with the plaintiffs. That means that Yoav Lallum was to be involved in the forming of the school’s rules.
And since no “agreement” had been reached, unlikely when working with an anti-religious activist, on May 17 Judge Admon Levi ordered all the girls to return to school and all be in the same classes. He also ordered that the Sephardic and Ashkenazi girls will have two separate tracts for prayer and halacha class. The Beis Yaakov Chasidi will close, only the original Beis Yaakov will exist.
But in the original Beis Yaakov, the girls have always prayed together, Sephardic liturgy. And there were not separate halacha classes for Sephardim and Ashkenazim, all the girls learned the entire spectrum of halacha. Ironically, the Supreme Court is making its own “separation” that the original Beis Yaakov and Chassidic Beis Yaakov never did.
But more importantly - where does the Israeli Supreme Court base its right to alter nuances in school curriculum? How can Judge Levi decide that there will be separate tracts for Ashkenazi and Sephardic students in prayer and Jewish Law - a separation that this community itself does not recognize?
It was stipulated in the court order that the parents could sign up their girls in any schools they wished, other than the Beis Yaakov Chasidi of Emanuel. The parents of the Beis Yaakov Chasidi then signed up their girls in the Beis Malka School in Bnei Brak.
On Sunday morning May 30, the first day that the girls from Emanuel attended this school in Bnei Brak, a group of reporters came to Emanuel and followed the morning bus, and filmed the girls entering this school. That day the school informed the parents that the Ministry of Education declared that they are not allowed to accept the girls from Emanuel.
OVERCROWDING IN RELIGIOUS ISRAELI SCHOOLS
Some classes in the cities have as much as forty five, even forty eight girls. A teacher in Jerusalem told me, “It can be nearly the end of the year before I get to know all my students.” This puts enormous pressure on students to compete for a limited amount of space.
High school is in some ways more important that seminary education in Israel, unlike the American model of college being of foremost importance. Living in smaller towns lessens the pressures of competing for places in high school without lowering standards of education, as the religious world is brimming with a surplus of teachers who themselves must move to smaller areas to secure employment.
SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT EMANUEL
Emanuel was a fairly easy target - deep in the Shomron, an unlikely place for many to visit and check the facts for themselves. Not a well-off community, with few resources for self-advocacy. Small enough that you are easily exposed to the great variety that exists within the Charedi world, and any place in which variety is supported fosters a healthy, moderate environment.
If you like languages, you could improve your Hebrew, Arabic, French, Russian, Yiddish, English, Judeo-Yemenite, Moroccan, Persian, Bucharian, Tunisian.
For religious choices you have the spiritual Sephardim saying their blessings with fervor, proud of their glorious past under Islam and their good relations with local Arabs. Or the Lubavitchers, steadfast in their mission to spread Chassidut and make sure you learned some Torah today. The modern orthodox balancing it all and their doorway into the professions; the proper and learned Lithuanians happy to answer any question on Jewish law - by answering with another question. The meditative Breslover Chassidim crying “father” in Yiddish in the middle of the night as they pray on the hillside; the Chassidim who migrated from Tiberias a generation ago - of a heritage part Russian and Old Yishuv Edut HaMizrach and their talent for teaching; the two Yemenite sects, one which favors kabala and mysticism, the other which cleaves to Maimonedean rationalism. You have the more open Sephardim and Ashkenazim - and blended - who flourish in the original Beis Yaakov or modern orthodox schools, the stricter Sephardim whose grandmothers wore purda with veiled faces. “Strict” and “lenient” are not ethnically delineated.
Emanuel is a place where you are easily exposed to the great variety that exists within the Charedi world. If we had hyphenated last names going back about three or four generations, revealing the many who have blended heritage, this whole Sephardic - Ashkenazi “divide” would fade away. Small towns like Emanuel are actually a very good place to live and get to know different types of people.
THE BAIS YAAKOV SCHOOL
The first set of grades on the report card of the Beis Yaakov School in Emanuel concern personal character traits: prayer, attitude towards studies, attitude towards peers, respect of elders, respect of property, neatness and cleanliness, task completion, homework preparation, behavior during class, modesty. In each category is a line for teacher’s comments. This is a good chance for personal growth for a child.
Rebbetzen Henya Liebermensh, late wife of Rav Nosson Liebermensh, told me, “my father used to cover the bottom half of my report card and look at the comments on my character traits. If they were good, he would praise me and hand back the report card with a smile.”
We need schools that help the whole child and family grow. Beis Yaakov has high standards. You do not have to attend it if you do not want to.
The vice principal of the Beis Yaakov Emanuel is a Sephardic woman. There are of course excellent Sephardic women teachers in the Beis Yaakov, and there are excellent Sephardic men teachers in the Chassidic boys’ school that my son’s attend.
ATTORNEY MORDECHAI BASS’ EVALUATION OF THE BEIS YAAKOV EMANUEL CASE:
A brief synopsis, original report in Hebrew is below.
Page 1
Invitation to investigate
“On January 28 2008 I was invited to evaluate the complaints of ethnic discrimination made against the Beis Yaakov Emanuel administration. I have thoroughly reviewed relevant material … and have met with administrators from the ministry of education, the chinuch atzmai (independent religious schools’ network, which Beis Yaakov is under), and I visited the two schools in question.”
Page 2
Evaluation of ethnicity
“The percentage of Ashkenazi families in the original school is 23%, and in the new (Chasidi) school, 73%.”
(Footnote at bottom: “Such figures are not totally accurate - firstly, the schools do not note the ethnicity of their students in the registration - and this is a good thing! Secondly - this figure was…partially based on the tenor of the family name, which can also be inaccurate.” )
Were any families refused admission to the Beis Yaakov Chasidi, Emanuel?
“All parents wanting to sign up their daughters to the new school, and were ready to accept upon themselves the school’s conditions, were accepted (lit. “not refused”). Since there was no rejection (of any applicants), where is the discrimination?”
Page 5
“Description of Emanuel Community”
A varied population dwells in Emanuel - Chassidic, Lithuanian, Sephardic, some families have been Haredi for generations, some for one generation, some are newly religious for a few years. In larger towns, this variety is expressed in a variety of schools. Until this year there was only one (Haredi) school in the town.”
Attorney Bass notes the tensions between the stricter, sheltered factions and the more open, lenient factions.
Page 6
Attorney Bass notes the founding of the Sephardic girls’ school in Emanuel, Beit Rachel and Leah, under the Mayan-Shas network, which at the time had only a small first grade.
He notes the various options that the parents explored - having different tracts in the same building, or opening a new school. In the end, a new school was founded.
Page 7
“The two schools are administrated separately, with two different principals.”
Physical separation between the two schools - fact or fiction?
“…photographers claimed that the cloth that was placed on the (pre-existing) fence prevented the girls from seeing each other. This is not true. Only part of the fence was covered. The yard surrounds the school from four directions, and the girls (from both schools) are able to see and play with each other. The (media) portrayal of two completely separate sections of the school yard…is not true.”
Page 8
“Were the students in the two schools divided according to ethnicity?
“Were the students in the two schools divided according to ethnicity? The plaintiffs claim yes (the top of this page exhibits the plaintiffs’ claim)….The original school has 107 Sephardic girls and 32 Ashkenazim. The percentage of Ashkenazim is thus 23%. The new (Chasidi) school has 58 Ashkenazi girls and 21 Sephardim. The percentage of Sephardim is thus 27%….I repeat that…anyone interested in registering their daughters in the new school and ready to accept the school’s way of life was not refused.
“I spoke to the plaintiffs and asked for one instance of parents who asked to register their daughter and was refused and they had no such case.
He goes on to discuss the legal technicalities of opening a new school, licensure and so forth.
Page 11
Again -physical separation between the two schools - fact or fiction?
Attorney Bass reiterates that accusations of physical barriers between the two schools were exaggerated and that indeed there was free access between the girls of both schools. He notes that the new school occupies (the third floor) rooms which were unused. (The third floor had housed the high school, and was vacated in September 2004 when the high school got its own building.)
(I laughed when I read paragraphs 4 and 5, which address the plaintiffs’ accusation that the times of school starting and recess were at different times. Attorney Bass found this to be untrue. Of course both schools begin at the same time - 8am. Of course the recesses are at the same time. Would it make sense to have recess at different times, with one school trying to study while the other half is making noise outside?)
Paragraph 6 on page 11 addresses the plaintiffs’ accusation that the girls in each school were forbidden contact with each other. Attorney Bass notes that there was no such ordinance issued by the school.
Page 12
More on the culture of Emanuel - Sheltering childrenHere, Attorney Bass sensitively notes the great variety that exists in the Haredi world, despite its outward uniform appearance in dress. He suggests that non-Haredim attempt to understand the mentality of sheltering from the outside world, and that the more strict and sheltered Haredim would understandably be wary of having their children have close contact with more lenient and worldly Haredim.
Page 13, paragraph 22
Was there ethnic discrimination in the Beis Yaakov Emanuel?
“The division was not ethnic, it was religious. I am convinced that there is no ethnic discrimination.”
Conclusion
When ethnic discrimination actually occurs, we must combat it with all our might. I express my sorrow about complaints like these - thrown in the air - that increase hatred among Israel, and are totally baseless.”
Signed
Attorney Mordechai Bass
_________________________________-
Synopsis of letter from Rachel Guveri, head of education, town council of Emanuel, to Emanuel’s mayor Ezra Gerashi
December 2009
As my duty as head of education, I check on the schools and kindergartens. I have visited the Beis Yaakov School five times this year.
Concerning allegations of discrimination that have arisen:
1. There is no separation wall in the school.
2. There is one uniform dress code for the whole school.
3. There are no separate recesses.
4. The yard is shared; the girls (from both schools) play together.
The students are happy with the situation.
1. Registration - each family was given a choice at the beginning of the year which school to choose from - Chasidi or general.
2. Prayer - each girl prays according to her home custom. In the first grade they receive a prayer book from the Sephard tradition.
3. Girls learn the gamut of Jewish law, both Sephardi and Ashkenazi traditions, as a seamless whole.
4. Both schools learn the same curriculum.
5. The rules for both are the same.
6. There are teachers who teach in both schools.
I see that the girls are happy in these schools. (Additionally) the new Mayan-Shas (Beit Rachel and Leah) school has a nice atmosphere and the girls are happy.
There are schools in Emanuel for all to choose from for their individual needs.
The directive to unite the two Beis Yaakovs has opposition from parents in both schools.
I recommend allowing (the Beis Yaakovs) to remain two separate tracts - Chasidi and general, this is the first preference.


{Yair Alpert-Matzav.com Israel}

 Rabbi Yaakov Yosef opened a can of worms by turning to the Supreme Court and ACRI. Even the Ministry of Education realizes that the court overstepped its boundaries. If the court doesn't relent, and persists in pursuing the mothers, there will be blood in the streets.


Ministry of Education: Don't arrest Emmanuel mothers

Ahead of hearing on Sunday, Ministry of Education to request High Court to forbid arrest of mothers for sake of children
Ynet reporters
Taking a step back - Ahead of a High Court hearing on Sunday regarding the arrest of 22 mothers from the West Bank settlement of Emmanuel who refused to turn themselves in, the Ministry of Education will recommend that the mothers not be arrested.

In an official statement, Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar said the decision was made out of an overall view that reflects the wellbeing of the students.

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The announcement came following the State Prosecutor's Office announcement, according to which it does not object to the cancellation of the mothers' arrest.
According to estimates, the hearing will include the panel of judges – Hanan Meltzer, Edna Arbel and Edmond Levy – without representatives from either side.
Levy on Friday ruled that the mothers' detainment will be delayed, after they failed to report to a detention center in Jerusalem.
Also on Friday, the Noar K'Halacha organization, which filed the original petition to the High Court against the segregation of the Beit Yaakov girls' school in Emmanuel, filed a response to the petition for the parents' release, asking the court to consider an alternative to their imprisonment, such as revoking funds and licenses.
"The circumstances in this case clearly show that the parents will continue to violate the court ruling and will not send their girls back to the school," read the response.

Police sources told Ynet they were preparing for the High Court's ruling vis-à-vis a renewal of the arrest warrant against the mothers, and will act accordingly. 
 
Haredi sources said they will do everything in their power to prevent the arrest of the mothers. One source said "the protests that were held against the arrest of the 'starving mother' will be duplicated by 22 if there's an attempt to forcefully arrest them." 

But the Supreme Court intends to continue with its intrusion into, and dictatorial attitudes towards the religious public, to the detriment of the Jewish population. We shouldn't be surprised, really, knowing that they will do everything they can to eliminate the Jewish character of the state of Israel.

Ben Dror Yemini: Emmanuel Decision Just the Beginning

Tammuz 6, 5770, 18 June 10 10:45

(Israelnationalnews.com) Journalist and jurist Ben-Dror Yemini warned on Friday that the Supreme Court's decision on keeping hassidic and Sephardic education programs together in the Binyamin community of Emmanuel was just the beginning of what he called "callous" involvement of the High Court in political and public matters. Interviewed on Arutz Sheva's Hebrew service, the Ma'ariv daily's opinion editor said the next step would be cancellation of the Citizenship Law and giving the Right of Return to Arabs whose families left Israel when the modern Jewish state was founded in 1948.
Saying that the court's decision has to be enforced, Yemini said the decision was wrong and he hoped it would be reversed.....

Taking children away from their parents to brainwash and indoctrinate them would not be unexpected, as fits communist and fascist regimes:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138130
A critical question is who will care for the children in the families while both parents are in prison. The option of only one parent sitting in prison at a time has apparently been dropped, except in families with special-needs children. The Welfare Ministry has appointed its Deputy Director, Menachem Wagshall, to head the special task force of social workers who will attempt to take control of the situation. Two senior supervisors from the Ministry have been in Emanuel since yesterday, helping the local welfare department. Forty social workers around the country are on stand-by in case they are needed, while others have been assigned to make sure that each and every family has a solution.

Dozens of Social Workers to Care for Emmanuel Chidren

Tammuz 5, 5770, 17 June 10 05:58

(Israelnationalnews.com) The Welfare Ministry has been holding consultations on different scenarios since Wednesday on the need for social services for the estimated 250 children under the age of 18 of parents in the Samarian Jewish community of Emmanuel who decided to go to jail rather than obey a court order to integrate a school there.
Two senior supervisors from the ministry were sent to Emmanuel to work with the community's welfare department. A staff of 40 social workers from the ministry were assigned to make sure the children were protected and under supervision. Dozens of local social workers were put on alert to deal with any situation that comes up.

If they do jail the mothers and take the children away to the care of social workers, all hell will break loose. This won't be the first time that the state of Israel took children away from their parents. Witness the YEMENITE CHILDREN saga, the MOROCCAN children saga. The state always tried to take away religious children from their parents, and either indoctrinate them, or worse, give them away to other families or institutions. THEY SHOULD ONLY DARE! They will regret the backlash very, very much. ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE IN ISRAEL, if they dare.

That is the whole purpose of the Ford Foundation and co.'s involvement: tearing apart the fabric of Jewish society, reducing the birth rate of the religious public, brainwashing the kids, and ultimately, destroying Jewish Israel.

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From THE YESHIVA WORLD Yesterday





Thanks to bill

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/62830/VIDEO-%26-PHOTOS%3A-Yerushalayim---Bnei-Brak%3A-Over-300%2C000-MeKadesh-Shem-Shomayim.html

VIDEO & PHOTOS: Yerushalayim – Bnei Brak: Over 300,000 MeKadesh Shem Shomayim

(Friday, June 18th, 2010) [Video & photo links below] Today, erev shabbos, the day after, there is widespread agreement, that Thursday’s prison marches, the atzeres in Bnei Brak and Yerushalayim were a major Kiddush Hashem, as the secular and frum media alike report the astounding reality that hundreds of thousands of yidden gathered for one purpose. They recited tehillim and heard words of chizuk from Gedolei Yisrael Shlita. There were no ‘incident’, scuffles with police, audible shouts containing vulgarities, but a forum of kedusha in the presence of Gedolei HaDor, who sanctified the forums with their presence.
According to the daily HaMevaser, over 300,000 attended the two forums, along with the leading rabbonim, admorim, and roshei yeshiva.
Today, the day after, the argument surrounding Chinuch Atzmai continues, some insisting discrimination is a reality, while other simply deny its existence. Thursday’s events however were not about the differences, but they served to send a clear message to all yidden, to the government, and most of all, to Israel’s secular Supreme Court of Justice. The message, yes, you may feel that you reign supreme, but we are here to tell you otherwise, and if chas v’sholom we are compelled to choose, between Torah and Gedolei Yisrael Shlita and the secular court system, we opt to remain loyal to the Gedolim Shlita – even at the expense of parting with our dearest children and spending shabbos in prison.

The message, while not understood or accepted by all, was delivered respectfully and in a most potent fashion, one that shouts loud and clear, there will be no compromise regarding chinuch of the children and total and undiluted adherence to the words of the Gedolim Shlita, in this case, Kvod Kedushas HaDmor M’Slonim Shlita, who is known for his commitment to the chinuch of the tinkos shel beis rabon, one who is foreign to politics, kovod and the secular values that dominate the day-to-day life of the Modern State of Israel.
Baruch Hashem, the participation in the atzeres was widespread, and even Gedolim affiliated with the dati leumi community such as HaGaon HaRav Zalman Baruch Melamed Shlita and HaGaon HaRav Dov Lior Shlita instructed talmidim to attend the atzeres, exhibiting an understanding that the message crossed all barriers. This was not a matter of dati leumi versus chareidi, or IDF versus beis medrash, but a message of unit, Torah reigns supreme above all else.
Regarding Chinuch Atzmai and Emanuel, undoubtedly, after the parents serve the two-week prison terms, they will be that much stronger and determined in their path, heroes in their community, but then, only then, the real work will begin, for Emanuel, a small community in Shomron will have to heal its wounds, the sharp division of the varied population, the humiliation felt by the Sephardi girls and the feeling of mission felt by the convicts after serving their prison term.
One can only hope Gedolei HaDor Shlita will continue to guide us all, and that the decisions made are L’Shem Shomayim, and this we pray will result in achdus, and eventually increased understanding in a state where the Supreme Court reigns.
In addition to the amazing coverage provided by Yechiel Spira and the staff at YWN Israel Thursday, Yehuda Boltshauser / Kuvien Images & Co. were out in full force at the “Prison March” – both Yerushalayim and Bnei Brak; and present the YWN readership with hundreds of photos, and video coverage.
Click HERE for photos taken in Yerushalayim – Coverage by: Refael Ovadia / Chaim Schvarcz / B.W. Posen for Kuvien Images (Yehuda Boltshauser & Co.).
Click HERE for photos taken in Bnei Brak – Coverage by: Y.Y. Shachar and Bitzy Hazen for Kuvien Images (Yehuda Boltshauser & Co.).



 

See also the first article of this series:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2010/06/brave-chareidim-i-am-supporting-you.html

And the next one, PART III:

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-this-amounts-too-to-my-lay-non.html
And make sure to read the COMMENTS section below this article: lots of interesting information there, provided by third parties.

COMMENTS:

Divine Justice?

Retired Judge Cheshin's son killed in hit-and-run road accident

Published:

06.18.10, 10:21 / Israel News

The son of retired Supreme Court Justice Mishael Cheshin was killed in a hit-and-run accident Friday morning.

An initial police investigation revealed that the man was hit by a car while riding his bicycle near Rosh Ha'ayin. The driver did not stop to assist the victim or call for help, and fled the scene. (Raanan Ben-Zur)


bill replies:

THE WORLD IS NOT HEFKER!

DS :

I am reflecting on the fact that this story  developed right around Parshat Korach ( the machloket of Korach), and Parshat Chukat ( mei Meriva, the waters of strife) : how appropriate.

This is really a Machloket of Korach, where Korach is the foreign, intruding element wanting to take over Torah.

May all the followers of the modern-day Korach fall deep into the cracked sea floor  (of the Gulf of Mexico) and get sucked in and buried, just as Korach and his followers did in days of old. And may the unfortunate Jews who meant well, and yet got misled, get saved in the last minute, just as Onn and Bnei Korach, who distanced themselves from the terrible Machloket before it was too late, were also spared.

IMPORTANT UPDATES:
 

1.I told you Rabbi Yaakov Yosef is  a good man at heart! I am very happy to hear that like Onn and the Bnei Korach in the Korach rebellion, he decided to distance himself from this lawsuit in the last minute.

May he be blessed.

It is said that Onn did Teshuvah for the rest of his life for joining the Korach camp. I hope Rabbi Yosef doesn't have to do the same.

We are with you Rabbi Yosef: nobody is perfect, everybody is allowed to make mistakes once in a while. Let's only hope that this mistake doesn't have tragic consequences, that it does, in fact, turn into a blessing for Am Yisrael.

Rabbi Yosef Withdraws from Emanuel School Case

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 07:56

(Israelnationalnews.com) Rabbi Yaakov Yosef said Sunday that he was removing his support from the parents of Sephardic girls who petitioned the High Court to require the Beit Yaakov school in Emanuel to include their children in the “Hassidic track” in the school. Rabbi Yosef, son of former Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, says he has received threats to his life over his involvement in the case.

Speaking to Israel Radio, Rabbi Yosef said that there were 33 other rabbis involved in the case, and they could decide how to proceed.

Maybe Rabbi Yaakov Yosef simply listened to his father?

Rabbi Yosef: Don't Go to Secular Courts

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 09:46

(Israelnationalnews.com) In his weekly Saturday night class, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef declared his opposition to the petition by Sephardic families in Emanuel against the Beit Yaakov school in the town. Rabbi Yosef said that “anyone who brings cases to secular courts, which do not rule according to Torah law, will get what he deserves for raising a hand against the Torah. It is as if he cursed the Torah, and he will not receive a portion in the World to Come,” Rabbi Yosef was quoted as saying.

Haredi sources seem to concur:

Rabbi Yaakov Yosef quits Emmanuel school struggle

Rabbi who gave halachic backing to fight against discrimination in religious school says threats led him to halt involvement in struggle
Kobi Nahshoni

Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, one of the leaders of the struggle against discrimination at the Beit Yaakov religious school in Emmanuel, announced Saturday night that he is halting all activity in the matter after he and his family members came under threat over the issue.

The rabbi said he was willing to take the pressure himself and push forward with the struggle, but once the matter began to affect those around him, he was forced to back down.

Gloomy Prophecy

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The decision may have significant repercussions, since Rabbi Yosef is the only one to give halachic backing to the struggle's leader, Yoav Lalum, and even went to the High Court of Justice despite a halachic ruling that forbids speaking before legal sessions that do not follow Jewish Law.
Lalum confirmed to Ynet that his rabbi was ending involvement in the struggle, and reiterated his commitment to act according to his instructions.

Haredi elements doubted the rabbi's explanation and linked his decision to comments made by his father, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Saturday night, who spoke out against rabbis appealing to the secular courts.
"You know how I feel about the Supreme Court, beware of this thing, you have seen what they did this week, you have seen their path. We are separate from them, we have the holy Torah," Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said Saturday night. 

2.AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT UPDATE:

Supreme Court Charged with Illegally Sending Parents to Jail

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 01:05

by Hillel Fendel

(Israelnationalnews.com) The Israel Law Center says Supreme Court has no authority to issue orders against private individuals, but only against government bodies or their representatives.
The Israel Law Center (ILC) filed a “habeas corpus” writ against the Prison Service and Israel Police on Sunday for holding the 43 fathers from Emanuel unlawfully. The suit claims that the Supreme Court overstepped its authority in ordering the parents to be jailed, in that it is permitted to issue orders against government bodies or their representatives, but not against private individuals.
Asked why the suit was not filed against the High Court itself for exceeding its authorities, ILC Director Nitsana Darshan-Leitner explained to Israel National News, “That was also an option, but the immediate priority was to file suit against those who are holding these citizens illegally – namely, the jails and the police.”
She further explained that nowhere in the law is it expressly written that the Court is the address for perceived illegal decisions by it itself - "although we wrote in the petition that we expect the Court to exercise judicial review over itself in this case. The High Court of Justice is not permitted to assume the authority of issuing orders against individuals.”
The High Court sentenced the parents to jail for having aided in the violation of a previous ruling ordering the integration of a Hassidic-religious girls’ school in Emanuel. Petitioners, including an organization called Noar Kahalacha, claimed that the school accepted students based on their ethnic background, discriminating against Sephardim – while the parents said that the school’s sole standard was religious, and that 27 percent of the students were in fact Sephardic.
Noar Kahalacha is a grantee of the New Israel Fund, an organization that has been accused of being downright anti-Israel for its funding of most of the Israeli NGOs that testified against Israel in the Goldstone Committee, among other anti-Israel groups.
The Court, headed by Justice Edmond Levy, did not accept the parents’ position, and when they refused to send daughters to the “integrated” school, he ordered them to spend two weeks in jail. It is now (Sunday) considering a request to exempt the mothers from going to jail; all sides in the court case agree that this request should be accepted.
Taxi Company Precedent - Not Acceptable
The original ruling ordering the parents to jail cited a previous District Court ruling in which taxi drivers were served with contempt of court orders for not enforcing a ruling forbidding taxi companies from taking passengers from Ben Gurion International Airport. The ILC said that this precedent is not relevant, in that the District Court is permitted to serve individuals with orders of this nature, while the High Court of Justice is not.
“The High Court of Justice was created to defend citizens from the authorities,” the petition states, “and it must be limited to this. Defense of a citizen from another citizen is reserved for the criminal and civil courts.”`                    
“The High Court expanded the meaning of the law defining its authorities to its most extreme extent,” Darshan-Leitner said, “but there is no way to explain the law in a way that will grant it authorities that the law explicitly did not give it. Private citizens are not obligated to follow rulings issued against governmental authorities – even if the ruling comes from the Supreme Court. If such rulings are not implemented, there are various ways of enforcing them – but for the High Court to issue rulings that are not in its jurisdiction is not one of them.”

Group: Emanuel Arrests Illegal

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 09:13

(Israelnationalnews.com) The “Shurat Hadin” organization had filed a petition with the High Court, demanding that the parents who refused to send their children to the Beit Yaakov school in Emanuel be released immediately. The petition claims that Judge Edmond Levy, who sent the parents to prison last week for refusing to comply with the court order to send their children to the school, overstepped his bounds.

The petition quotes an Israeli Basic Law that states that such court orders can be issued only against institutions, not individuals.

( But what do you expect of this den of iniquity, will it ever admit to its dishonesty?)

Supreme Court Denies Petition Against Emanuel Jailing

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 06:38

(Israelnationalnews.com) The Supreme Court on Sunday rejected an appeal by the Shurat Hadin Israel Law Center against the imprisonment of parents of students in the hassidic education track from Emanuel for contempt of court. The court ruled it was not its place to hear appeals against itself.
The petition, which listed the police and the prisons service as defendants, claimed that the court was not empowered to make decisions and issue orders on individuals.

3. FINALLY , THIS:

It looks like the Haredim have already won. The Supreme Court is stuck, it doesn't know what to do, so it is stalling. Good, this horse is a very disoriented horse, as it should be, B"H.

Will it be the demise of "democracy", as predicted by die-hard leftists, or did democracy only suffer a  temporary setback?

Court Postpones Discussion on Emanuel Mothers

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 02:58

(Israelnationalnews.com) The High Court on Sunday postponed a discussion on whether or not to imprison the mothers of the Emanuel children, who refused to send their daughters to the Beit Yaakov school in the town. The court had last week ordered that both parents be imprisoned, but several petitions filed Sunday asked that the court hold off on imprisoning the parents.

But meanwhile a Beth Din was chosen to arbitrate between the two factions, B"H, outside of the court system.

  
Rabbinical Court: Emanuel Girls Together During Appeals

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 08:49

(Israelnationalnews.com) A Jerusalem rabbinical court, chosen to arbitrate between the Slonim hassidic sect and the Noar K'halacha (Jewish Law Youth) organization, ruled Sunday night that petitions claiming racial discrimination at the Beit Ya'akov school for girls in the Binyamin region town of Emanuel could continue.
The court also ruled that all the girls of the school would learn together during the remaining week and a half of this school year, and that talks would continue during the summer vacation on arrangements for the next school year.

Rabbis on Emanuel: Withdraw the Lawsuit, Integrate the School

Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 11:01

by Maayana Miskin

(Israelnationalnews.com) A Jerusalem rabbinic court chosen to mediate between members of the Slonim hassidic sect in Emanuel and a lawyer who has filed suit against them ruled Sunday that the lawyer should withdraw his suit, and the parents should return their children to school.
The organization Noar K'Halacha, led by attorney Yoav Laloum, filed suit against parents from Emanuel for creating a separate, hassidic track within a local hareidi-religious school. The group accused the parents of discriminating against Sephardi girls. The parents, for their part, said the separate track was open to students of all ethnic backgrounds, but only if they agreed to fulfill its religious rules, which were more stringent than those in the rest of the school.
Laloum should withdraw his lawsuit immediately, the rabbinic court ruled. The parents, several of whom have gone to jail rather than integrate the school, should return their daughters to school, where all the girls will learn together in the one and a half weeks remaining in the school year, the ruling continued.
During the summer, parents of girls in both tracks can continue their efforts to reach a compromise, judges said.
Laloum's suit already made it to the Supreme Court, which ordered parents to integrate the two sects. When parents withdrew their daughters from school in protest they were sentenced to jail for contempt of court.
The court has agreed to jail only fathers for now, while mothers will face another hearing on Tuesday. A father who did not report to prison last week was arrested Sunday; his lawyers said he will protest the arrest on humanitarian grounds, as the man is a single father to an ill child.

LATEST UPDATE:

Unfortunately, the Beith Din was not able to complete its task, first and foremost because Yoav Lalum is MESSAREV BEITH DIN.

So now we know exactly who the Rasha is: Yoav Lalum and company. We shouldn't have expected anything different, considering whom he represents: the New Israel Fund, ACRI, Physicians for Human Rights, the Ford Foundation, Christian Aid, the UN, Norway,  and the list goes on and on. His representation of the Sephardim is NOTHING BUT A SHAM. At last the mask is off, and  that is good: let JEWS FINALLY  KNOW where the truth lies. The enemy within has been exposed, and good Jews who had been misled by this circus have no more excuse to be in the dark now.

Expected Compromise in Emanuel is Not Happening

Tammuz 9, 5770, 21 June 10 02:52

by Hillel Fendel

(Israelnationalnews.com) The Rabbinical Court appointed to mediate in the Emanuel-Slonim-Sephardic rift has washed its hands of the affair, thus erasing hopes of a compromise and an early release from prison for the 43 Slonim Hassidim fathers. The Court cited two reasons.
One is that the plaintiff, Yoav Lalum, who claimed that the Slonim school in Emanuel discriminated against Sephardim, refused to follow the court’s first ruling – namely, to withdraw the suit.
Secondly, the rabbinical court (Beit Din) stated that its second ruling was grossly misinterpreted. The second ruling stated that any future separation in Emanuel must be done only in accordance with rabbinical rulings; the Beit Din stated that the media had misinterpreted this as if it represented agreement with the Supreme Court ruling on the matter – when in fact, the rabbinical arbitrators’ panel stated, such a conclusion “is in direct opposition to all the Torah giants, who said that there is no ethnic discrimination.”
The Slonim Hassidic community has maintained all along that there is no anti-Sephardic discrimination, and that in fact 27% of its students are Sephardic. The Slonimers say that they do close their schools to those whose religious observance is not on par with theirs; families with TV sets, for instance, are not allowed to send their children to the Slonim school – or to many other Hassidic schools, for that matter.
It had been hoped that the rabbinical court would quickly find a compromise, which would enable the 43 Slonim fathers of students in the Slonim girls’ school to be freed from prison and enable the mothers not to have to report to prison at all. The Supreme Court is to make a decision regarding the women tomorrow (Tuesday). One father who never reported to prison has been arrested by police; he says he is a single parent with a sick child.
The Rabbinical Court (Beit Din) stated on Monday morning: “Since Mr. Lalum did not adhere to the Beit Din’s order of yesterday to withdraw his petitions and claims from the general court, setting various conditions that the Beit Din did not agree to, and because the Beit Din’s ruling was abused in the media – therefore the Beit Din sees this as a violation of its decision, and the session that had been set for today is canceled.”

  The way I see this development, the Supreme Court  has lost. IT, and not the parents, had to backtrack. Let's see what they will do in order to save face.
 

Emmanuel father: I decided I shouldn't be arrested

Moment before High Court discussion, parent who failed to show up for imprisonment in school discrimination case tells Ynet, 'There is an atmosphere of persecution against an entire public among the people of Israel. Our ancestors came before the sentence and we will do what our ancestors instruct us to do'

 Just look at these women: real criminals, wouldn't you say!

Aviad Glickman

The High Court on Tuesday discussed the request of 22 parents from the Emmanuel discrimination affair not to be jailed.
Ahead of the discussion, several mothers explained to Ynet why they had failed to show up for their imprisonment last week.

Protest Meeting

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"We didn't arrive on Thursday because we were home," one of them said. "We hope you too will be worthy of Heaven's name."
The mothers were accompanied to court by some 15 haredi men, including Ami Barber, one of the fathers who failed to report to jail. He was detained for questioning several days ago and released ahead of a court hearing on his matter.
"My son underwent surgery at Tel Hashomer (hospital), and I returned home during the protests and decided that we are not at such a high level of crime to have to report to prison," he said.
"I don't think my crime justifies separating from my son for two weeks. I don't know what I'm going to tell the judge. I don’t expect him to understand. There is no racism in Emmanuel. We feel what our ancestors felt 70 years ago. There is an atmosphere of persecution against an entire public among the people of Israel. Our ancestors came before the sentence and we will do what our ancestors instruct us to do."

One of the mothers, Yehudit Weinberg, said as she entered the courtroom, "It's not normal putting children's mothers in jail, but I have no problem going to jail. The court is not above the rabbis – the rabbis are above the law.

"On Thursday things were very difficult for us and we had to care for our other children, so we didn't report to jail. In any case, we won't agree to unite the (Ashkenazi and Sephardic) classes."

Another mother, Aliza Lang, added: "We don't want and have no impulse to go to jail in the first place, but if there's no choice – we'll go. We are acting according to our rabbis' opinions."

  The panel of three judges decided Sunday to postpone the discussion and hold it in the presence of the parties and their lawyers. The State Prosecutor's Office does not object to the mothers' request not to jail them.

After consulting the Social Affairs Ministry, the State decided that the 22 mothers should remain outside the prison for the sake of their children, particularly after the fathers' arrest. The petitioners themselves support the mothers' request not to be jailed, and have even asked the court to release the fathers as well.

The parents' lawyer, Attorney Mordechai Green, told Ynet on Monday evening: "I hope the court will use the tools it has, accept the opinions voiced by the professional elements, the Ministry of Social Affairs, the National Council for the Child and welfare officials, release the mothers and prevent a new catastrophe."

Update:

High Court: 13 Emmanuel mothers won't be jailed

Judges rule some of women who refused to obey court ruling in school discrimination case don't have to report to prison, others will be jailed after their husbands' release. Father who failed to report to jail tells Ynet, 'I decided I shouldn't be arrested'

Aviad Glickman

Latest Update:

06.22.10, 14:43 / Israel News

The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday that 13 of the 22 mothers from Emmanuel who refused to obey a court ruling in the Beit Yaakov school discrimination affair would not have to report to jail. The other women will be imprisoned after their husbands are released. The judges wrote in their decision, "After reviewing the requests we received and listening to the parties' claims, and after further reviewing the stand of the attorney general, the National Council for the child and the chief welfare officer on juvenile matters we have decided that the mothers would be exempt from reporting to jail." Tragedy Emmanuel mother miscarries 'due to mental state' / Kobi Nahshoni Medical staff at Mayanei Hayeshua Hospital believes woman's mental state prior to High Court hearing determining whether she will be sent to jail, caused her to miscarry. Haredi elements working to release her husband from prison Full story As for the other nine mothers, Judges Edmond Levy, Edna Arbel and Hanan Melcer ruled that "their arrest will be delayed until after their husbands are released from jail." The judges also postponed the arrest of two fathers to July 4. The two will have to report to the Russian Compound in Jerusalem unless they honor the High Court ruling. The judges also decided to discuss the petition again on Sunday and look into whether they should continue the enforcement measures against the parents who violated the High Court ruling. In light of the haredi public's conduct during last week's discussion, the judges said, the next week's discussion will be held without an audience and the only people allowed to enter the courtroom will be the parents, media representatives, the petitioners and the lawyers.   Attorney Mordechai Green, representing the parents, said that the court's decision was "disappointing and inconsiderate of the needs of the children and their families. Leaving the children without a father and mother for a month is definitely a serious blow." Some of Emmanuel mothers. 'Rabbis are above the law' (Photo: Noam Moskowitz)  YES!

 THIS COURT ALREADY HAS BLOOD ON ITS HANDS.

 

Emmanuel mother miscarries 'due to mental state'

Medical staff at Mayanei Hayeshua Hospital believes woman's mental state prior to High Court hearing determining whether she will be sent to jail, caused her to miscarry. Haredi elements working to release her husband from prison

Kobi Nahshoni

Published:

06.22.10, 14:00 / Israel News

One of the women ordered to go to jail as part of the Beit Yaakov school discrimination affair collapsed in her house in Emmanuel on Monday and later underwent a miscarriage at the Mayanei Hayeshua Hospital. The woman's husband has been in the Maasiyahu Prison since Thursday and haredi elements are working for his release. State and Religion Minister Yishai: Solution to Emmanuel row not High Court / Ronen Medzini Shas chairman says wants to prevent battle between Ashkenazim, Sephardics; claims solution is building more educational institutions. Rabbi Yosef: You know what I think of High Court Full story Ynet learned that the hospital's medical staff believes the woman's mental state was what caused the miscarriage. The woman was scheduled to attend a hearing at the High Court of Justice which would have determined whether she and the other 21 women, who failed to report to detention centers last week, would be sent to jail. The hospital's spokesman Moshe Friedman refused to confirm the details of the report out of respect for the patient's privacy. Ultra-Orthodox elements were outraged upon receiving word of the tragedy. Knesset Member Moshe Gafni (United Torah Judaism) said that "the State is becoming inhumane. Today it is with the haredim, tomorrow with other sectors of the population." Gafni also addressed attempts to release the woman's husband from jail and said, "This is a crossing of red lines. A woman is begging to have her husband beside her during her miscarriage but the court refuses to even respond."   Yitzhak Sheinin, who is active in the haredi struggle, described the incident as "white murder." "It appears that one can commit murder in the name of the law. We are being portrayed as leaders of a civil mutiny or a coup and as those who wish to turn Israel into Iran, and so in the sake of democracy they wouldn't mind eliminating 1,000 people. " Sheinin noted that police placed snipers on roof tops during the mass haredi protest in Jerusalem last week. He leveled harsh criticism at High Court judges. "The judges sit conveniently in their air-conditioned chambers while mothers struggle alone in their homes, and as a direct or indirect result such a tragedy occurs. The judges' panel's only aim is to trample over anything to do with religion and the ultra-Orthodox."  The Rebbe tells followers a day after the court decreed that nine Emanuel mothers must serve jail terms that the battle here surrounds a Torah lifestyle versus those who deny the validity of Torah. He stresses this is simply a test of emunah, our belief in HaKadosh Baruch Hu and the Torah way of life. An Israeli Chareidi says: June 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm Reply to farfrumt: I can see you do not live in Eretz Yisroel. I would like to answer your question by explaining some obviously missing facts. No one in Emanuel has gone to beis din because no one had a problem. The complaint was filed by a complete outsider who’s organization is backed by the infamous New Israel Fund (NIF). They are the same ones who look for, or invent, ‘human rights’ violations against Arabs or by the religious and bring them before the court. What the people of Emanuel could prove to a beis din is completely irrelevant to the petition of this moser. Still not convinced? The collapse of Cheftziba was the result of a very similar plot that dragged through the courts for years. That was also dead wrong. Unfortunately, an Israeli would not be the least bit surprised about something so obvious dragging out so long. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=63498   MK Moses: High Court decision to imprison women is heartless Published:  06.22.10, 15:36 / Israel News Knesset Member Menachem Eliezer Moses (United Torah Judaism) responded to the High Court decision to imprison nine mothers of children from the Emmanuel school once their husbands are released from prison. He said, "The decision is a trauma for the children and is heartless. The High Court again shows that it does not safeguard dignity or liberty." (Ronen Medzini)  COMMENT: Yes indeed, this is a heartless action, and we do not expect anything better from those unJEWS posing as Jews. But I still have a question for MK Moses: Where were you when Elisheva Federman, mother of nine children , was beaten and abused, jailed with her baby? Where were you when 14 and 15 year old girls were kept in jail and abused? Does your compassion only apply to your Edah? Maybe it is time for YOU to learn something.I expect the same sympathy from you Haredim as you expect of others. "Do not do unto others what you do not want done to you. That is a principle that I am sure you know better than anybody.