tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post5721108978543503602..comments2024-03-04T10:51:38.498+02:00Comments on ISRAEL TRUTH TIMES: Brave Haredi parents, I support you fully; finally Jews with a backbone! BUT THE SHOCKER: THE N.I.F.,THE FORD FOUNDATION, THE U.N., etc., OUR WORST ENEMIES, ARE BEHIND THIS MACHLOKET, behind this controversy! Proof provided here, together with a whole report.DShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-58916492327640792042010-06-21T18:40:28.904+03:002010-06-21T18:40:28.904+03:00The sledgehammer approach
By SHIRA LEIBOWITZ SCHM...The sledgehammer approach <br />By SHIRA LEIBOWITZ SCHMIDT <br />06/20/2010 21:22 <br /><br /><br />In imprisoning dozens of parents, High Court justices have done nothing to improve Sephardi-Ashkenazi relations. Instead of promoting peace, they advanced acrimony. <br /><br />Talkbacks (15) <br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=178999<br /><br />Other points of view:<br /><br /><br />Talkback #6. Intellectually Dishonest <br />Author: Michael Esq.<br />Country: US<br />06/21/2010 12:44 <br /><br />How dare you engage in such an intellectually dishonest comparison between the Amish and the Haredim. Whatever you might engineer will collapse if you apply the same reasoning as you have here. The alleged degrees of strictness argument is nothing but a ruse and pretext to promote racial theories of Ashkenazi superiority. It is both hurtful and dangerous by it's undermining the unity of the Jewish people; to engage in such disruption,especially at a time when Israel is in such peril, is both stupid, selfish, violative of the love and respect each Jew should feel for the next. This is but another haredi hillel hashem and example why the haredim are deserving of contempt and punishment.<br /><br />. Hillul Hashem, pt. 1 <br />Author: Haredi Sefaradi American<br />Country: El'ad, Israel<br />06/21/2010 15:46 <br /> <br />It is too bad that the author tries to manipulate the details to remove any wrongdoing. While I agree the Court shouldn't have handled the issue, the "event" last week was a Hillul Hashem - something along the lines of Haredi Ashkenazi Pride Day which included for many the freedom to throw rocks and try to enter Rabbi Ya'aqov Yosef's home and threaten his life, as well as his kids and grandkids, causing him to quit. Laloum similarly did the same today in response to receiving death threats - the law is the street it seems. This doesn't vindicate them, nor do the token Sefaradim. <br /> <br />10. Hillul Hashem, pt. 3 <br />Author: Haredi Sefaradim American<br />Country: El'ad, Israel<br />06/21/2010 15:55 <br /> <br />Try this at Howard University and see if it flies. Shas and the majority of the Sefaradim have remained mostly quiet, biting their tongues while they ached inside at the opening of old wounds that never went away. I know I and many others were waiting to see how the Rabbis you spoke last Thursday dealt with the discrimination issue (certainly there was more understanding about the High Court aspect). Not one of them mentioned any “brotherly love” with the Sefaradim. The most they could offer was “how can we be racists, we learn their poseqim.”<br /> <br />11. Hillul Hashem, pt. 4 <br />Author: Haredi Sefaradi American<br />Country: El'ad, Israel<br />06/21/2010 16:01 <br /> <br />How convenient, deny culpability by referring to geonim from hundreds of years ago. Then, they trotted around their token Sefaradim. What a spectacle. Maybe next year the girls in the Sefaradi track should update their uniforms to include yellow stars for a bit of nostalgia. The events were supposed to bring about unity? To whom? To the Haredim? Yes. Oh right, you don’t include Sefaradi Haredim as part of the Haredi community, only the ones that are mishtaknez. You created separation just like in the Slonim school for a few more bucks, a big ego, and the media spotlight. <br /> <br /><br />13. Hillul Hashem, pt. 5 <br />Author: Haredi Sefaradi American<br />Country: El'ad, Israel<br />06/21/2010 16:09 <br /> <br />The media circus diverted the attention from the source of the problem with MKs camping in front of the prison instead of working on the rift that has widened by the issue. Don’t worry Shas will stay with you through thick and thin like the Cinderella sibling who always gets slighted, but keeps coming back for more. But the sad part is you showed to what the Sefaradi Haredi public thought was their “own people” how you really think of them. Some of them will still want to become like you, but for others, a cold winter came too soon, and may not warm for a long time to come.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-71183176100076787682010-06-20T21:11:21.940+03:002010-06-20T21:11:21.940+03:00Tell everyone, you saw it here first! At any rate,...Tell everyone, you saw it here first! At any rate, it is not enough to stop at the NIF, which is the FRONT organization for all the other, enemy NGO's funding it.<br /><br />NIF Steam-Powers Anti-Hareidi Campaign<br />Tammuz 8, 5770, 20 June 10 07:13<br />by Hillel Fendel<br /><br />(Israelnationalnews.com) Organizations funded by the radical-left New Israel Fund (NIF) are behind the court case against the Hassidic parents who refuse to send their daughters to a school in Emanuel with lower religious standards than they desire. Michael Puah of Arad, who has been following NIF causes, says this explains why the media in Israel has been so one-sided on the case.<br /><br />No’ar KaHalacha, which filed the suit in the Supreme Court against perceived ethnic discrimination, is backed by two other organizations: Merkaz Tmurah and Achoti, both of which are funded by the New Israel Fund.<br /><br />The NIF also funds or funded most of the Israeli organizations that testified against Israel before the Goldstone Commission.<br /><br />“Most unfortunately,” Puah told Arutz-7, “I keep on seeing the long arms of the New Israel Fund… I suddenly understood why the entire media in Israel was enlisted so strongly against the hareidim.”<br /><br />Even without the NIF, Puah said, “the media doesn’t love the hareidim… but the minute the NIF is involved, [the hatred seems to increase.] Its public relations offices know how to work amazingly well. It is very easy to see that all the media organs are working as if they were coordinated… Otherwise, it is hard to explain the absurdity of Sephardic parents being put in jail for the crime of discrimination against Sephardim.”<br /><br />Puah, a religious-Zionist who lives in the Negev city of Arad, acknowledged that there is some discrimination, but emphasized, “It is clear to anyone who can see that the purpose of this public campaign is not to help the Sephardim, but to hurt the hareidim.”<br /><br />“One who knows the NIF,” Puah said, “knows that their method is to take a real problem that exists somewhere in Israel, and then to leverage it in order to weaken the State of Israel, Judaism, the hareidim, and the nationalist camp. They then get the best lawyers to file innumerable petitions in the Supreme Court, and to get the best PR offices for their publicity campaign - namely, the NIF. This is how it worked in Emanuel, and with Vicky Knafu and her march to Jerusalem from Sderot, and with the Reform, and with Palestinians.”<br /><br />“If we can identify the NIF’s modus operandi,” Puah concludes, “we’ll have half the solution.”<br /><br />The NIF website boasts that the two organizations mentioned above have been backing the fight against the “racist” Hassidic school in Emanuel for over a year.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-40772846994442576252010-06-18T01:08:30.023+03:002010-06-18T01:08:30.023+03:00OK.OK.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-8807820105263547392010-06-18T01:01:50.856+03:002010-06-18T01:01:50.856+03:00Steve,
All this discussion is irrelevant at this ...Steve,<br /><br />All this discussion is irrelevant at this point, Please go back, and read the NEW EXPLOSIVE INFORMATION I have just uncovered. It really makes all these points moot.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-73196421912268830172010-06-17T23:52:41.989+03:002010-06-17T23:52:41.989+03:00No, I am not a parent. Not yet. Maybe I won'...No, I am not a parent. Not yet. Maybe I won't be, though I do understand the paramount importance of parental rights - over state intrusion - especially when it comes to the education of ones children. You make a valid point. If I had children, if I were able, I would home-school them rather than put them in our horrid government schools. My next alternative would be private school. I know what government schools are like. I attended government schools. <br /> <br />I am against the state promoting abortion and contraception in the schools against parental choice. Government schools should not be providing children contraceptive devices in the absence of parental authority, thereby subverting parental authority. I am a political conservative.<br /><br />My initial concern about this was the notion of Jew vs. Jew "ethnic" intolerance. Maybe that is simply media spin in Israel. Like I wrote on YNet, I did indeed learn of and see some of this "ethnic" (Jew vs. Jew) intolerance when I was in Israel; something you acknowledge exists, as in "what goes around comes around." <br /><br />If it is ethnic intolerance, racism, what have you - even if it is directed by the parent - will you acknowledge the state has some obligation here?<br /><br />If there were a school that did not permit the enrollment of Black children or Jewish children here in the south where I live (based upon the right of southern parents to religiously educate their children as they deem fit) would you support these parent's right to make these demands on the school without any state intrusion?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-63558099527976898882010-06-17T22:58:44.798+03:002010-06-17T22:58:44.798+03:00Steve,
I do appreciate your concerns and your que...Steve,<br /><br />I do appreciate your concerns and your questions, but frankly I don't think this is the venue for them. First of all I am far from being a rabbi, and therefore whatever I would answer you would be strictly my opinion. <br /><br />Are we really debating the strictures here? I am not. I am not following their minute strictures, which I also find sometimes foolish. But that is not at all the issue here. The issue is freedom of worship, freedom to raise your children as YOU see fit, and not as the state sees fit ( reminiscent of dark regimes), and the issue of POWER. The courts represent the foreign regimes, the enemies of Israel you so rightly loathe, and their agenda is suppression of the Jewish People, to accommodate their vision of this state. They follow the foreign agenda to the letter. Whether you agree with each detail of how the Haredim lead their lives is quite irrelevant. What is relevant is the ABSOLUTE RIGHT of every Orthodox Jew to OBSERVE THE TORAH AS HE OR SHE SEES FIT IN ERETZ YISRAEL. And that includes the education of your children, a most important topic. Whether you follow this or that Nussach, this or that Massoret, is really not the issue at this stage. <br /><br />Are you a parent? You don't sound like one.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-86480634321178775992010-06-17T22:44:48.095+03:002010-06-17T22:44:48.095+03:00No, I understand. When I was in Jerusalem I remem...No, I understand. When I was in Jerusalem I remember the Sabbath. It was a delight. The streets were quiet in the religious neighborhoods, except for a few children playing outside in the street. Sabbath is meant to be a family day at or in the home. I understand all of this. <br /><br />When I am at the grocery store, I do not enjoy the smell of smoke wafting around outside, where people (the employees) are congregating. For me, it is a bit nauseating. Yet the fact that someone smokes on the Sabbath (lots of people in Israel smoke, don't they?), is this really the essense of Sabbath observance? <br /><br />I used to set all these timers around my house, so I did not have to turn anything on during Sabbath. Often I would set a timer wrong and then I'd just sit there in the dark lest I dare touch the thing and G-d forbid(!) violate Sabbath. <br /><br />This is what is critical to God? I used to have my own "Shabbos goy" while I sat inside studying and 'praying' (I am in the nursery business) until I read in the Torah "you shall not do any work, you....or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you."<br /><br />We Jews have developed many intricate commandments ("fences") around the written law of Moses that I wonder if even Moses - much less God - could have imagined! <br /><br />Why make things so more difficult and exacting than they already are? What happened to, "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it." (?) <br /><br />Some of this I fear, is what is driving these protests and the defiance within Emanuel. Maybe?<br /><br />Israel is surrounded by mortal enemies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc.) who are, more and more, engendering support & sympathy from from an increasingly evil international community, led by US President Hussein. We are facing existential threats unlike anything we have seen to date and Jews are concerned about exacting observance of the finest details of the Oral law? <br /><br />Is this what it means to be a good Jew DS?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-84175643721801361552010-06-17T22:15:13.058+03:002010-06-17T22:15:13.058+03:00Steve:
About smoking on the Shabbat:
again, your...Steve:<br /><br />About smoking on the Shabbat:<br /><br />again, your comments reflect the fact that you live in Chutz Laaretz. If you lived in the Holy Land, if you perceived the holiness of Shabbat, and the complete desecration of that holiness a cigarette represents, you would understand.<br /><br />Desecrating the Shabbat in public here is one of the worst things you can do.<br /><br />How on earth do you expect blessings from Heaven if you don't observe Shabbat? Shabbat is MEKOR HABRACHAH, the essence of the blessings. Without blessings, the Land will be overrun by heathens and barbarians.<br /><br />Come and live here, in a Yishuv, and you will understand.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-78690937688145784902010-06-17T20:59:14.711+03:002010-06-17T20:59:14.711+03:00"Still, here they ARE RIGHT!"
You may b..."Still, here they ARE RIGHT!"<br /><br />You may be right.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-47107697821891145292010-06-17T20:54:30.774+03:002010-06-17T20:54:30.774+03:00DS, one more thing. I grew up a secular Jew. May...DS, one more thing. I grew up a secular Jew. Maybe a heathen. Neither of my parents were religious Jews. It was not until I was nearly thirty that I began searching out my Jewish identity. I spent time in a yeshiva in Jerusalem and Monsey, NY. I came to identify with Orthodox Judaism, though I am not as Observant as I could or should be. <br /><br />I hold that Orthodox Judaism is authentic (authoritative) Judaism. That having been said, over the years, I have learned to make the kind of distinctions that not all observant Jews make in terms of what I believe (and would like to believe God thinks) critical -- of paramount -- importance and what is of lessor importance with regard to the commandments. <br /><br />The integrity of our God-given land is one of these critical issues. Sabbath is also very important as it is also a sign of our covenant.<br /><br />As I said, I do not smoke. Smoking on the Sabbath; I cannot make a big issue out of it. Can you? Establishing a Muslim-enemy state in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Jerusalem, to me this is a huge issue.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-44207567660104485972010-06-17T20:35:06.135+03:002010-06-17T20:35:06.135+03:00Steve,
So you see, overall we do agree.
I also f...Steve,<br /><br />So you see, overall we do agree.<br /><br />I also find their indifference re: the Land quite outrageous. But in this case I do support them. Anything to break the hold of this evil court and evil government on the people.<br /><br />As I said, I am not a Haredi, and would not want to live among them, as they probably would discriminate against me too.<br /><br />Still, here they ARE RIGHT!DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-46431807247015105982010-06-17T20:27:44.436+03:002010-06-17T20:27:44.436+03:00DS, you are right. I live in the US presently. I...DS, you are right. I live in the US presently. I plan to make Aliyah, the sooner the better. I am hoping I can get out of here with more than the clothes on my back. <br /><br />I expect I will ally with religious Zionists in Israel; many who live in the territories. <br /><br />I do have a problem with the state when it orders Jewish soldiers to carry out immoral orders, such as forcibly removing Jewish families from our land. There have been brave soldiers that have refused to obey these immoral orders; who, like these parents are willing to serve prison time rather than violate the commandments regarding our land. <br /><br />I financially supported Gush Katif and Friends of Gush Katif (which I visited in the early nineteen eighties), alas to no avail. Gush Katif leaders decided (in 2005) there would be absolutely no resistance to the expulsion decree by Ariel Sharon; Netanyahu also voted for it. I believe this was a mistake.<br /><br />I will try to maintain an open mind on this situation. I am not a fan of Israel's High Court. I do not like their judgments. That being said, even a broken clock can be right twice a day as they say. We'll see what comes out in the days and weeks that follow.<br /><br />At this point in our history, I cannot think of anything more important than resisting immoral American pressure to commit national suicide. President B. Hussein (and Bush just before him) will, if he is able, establish a Muslim-terror state in Israel's historic and Biblical heartland. <br /><br />I am surprised Haredi rabbis do not see this as the grave sin it is; a violation of our Torah and our covenant. If they can generate 100,000 activists for this issue, I wish they would mobilize 100,000 protesters over this breach of our covenant. The land of Israel is our covenant with God. Don't they understand this?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-75735888526868160432010-06-17T19:55:41.721+03:002010-06-17T19:55:41.721+03:00Steve,
Thanks for reading the material after all....Steve,<br /><br />Thanks for reading the material after all.<br /><br />Re: funding, it is one word against the other. From what I understand from reading several sources, the parents were willing to create their own arrangements. Ask Feiglin for clarification. I trust him more than the other guy.<br /><br />Re: Religious -Zionists: Of course not all religious- Zionists choose the state over Torah, but the great majority do. The few that don't are our heroes, and I salute them. I have lived among them for over 12 years, and I know how they think. You obviously live in the US, so you don't know the Israeli mentality. The average mafdal person is totally loyal to the state. They always try to make some kind of compromise, but there are times when compromise is simply not possible, and you have to choose. When faced with those choices, the great majority of them go for the state. Although I have to say that Amona opened quite a few eyes, thank God. Whoever that doesn't apply to, first of all my apologies, and second, Kol Hakavod. For you living in the US. it is easy to talk. I suggest you come live here, in Yesha, and then speak about state vs. Torah.<br /><br />Re: the Haredim not demonstrating for Gush Katif, etc, I agree with you, and have brought it to their attention in the past.<br /><br />The problem with the haredim is that they have detached themselves emotionally from the fate of AM YISRAEL, and that is not good. But the good part is, they don't have FALSE FEAR OF THE STATE, they have FEAR OF GOD.<br /><br />Re: racism. Yes, there is racism in Israel, but this is NOT a racist issue.<br /><br />Plus I challenge you to come and live among the Sephardim. We shall see how long you remain so loving and open-minded. The culture is very aggressive, not respectful of others.<br /><br />And anyway, before the creation of the state, they were the racists, the ones looking down on Ashkenazim. So now the tables are turned and they complain.<br /><br />What goes around, comes around.<br /><br />But overall, the racism is not of an extreme nature in the religious community. The secular community is just as racist, if not more.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-78704538367754658012010-06-17T19:41:48.608+03:002010-06-17T19:41:48.608+03:00DS, here are a few questions / observations. I am...DS, here are a few questions / observations. I am trying to keep an open mind, though this does not look good.<br /><br />You wrote: "While our 'Court system" protects Pride parades and the rights of men to be married to each other, protects terrorists from their victims, encourages the murder of Jews and the destruction of their homes, some courageous Jews have decided that for Torah and the free choice of education of their children, they are willing to face prison time. They are brave, and I admire them. They don't send their kids to demonstrations unlike some other groups, THEY demonstrate themselves......"<br /><br />I fully support Haredi protests against "gay-pride" parades in Jerusalem. I am on record supporting this protests. What about the young mother who ostensibly starved her child? That was not right, was it? Do you believe "religious Zionists," unlike the Haredim, wrongly send their kids to demonstrations against mass-expulsions of Jews? <br /><br />You wrote, Edmond Levy's comment is typical of the prevalent religious-Zionist attitude....."<br /><br />I tend to identify with religious Zionists because it is these Jews - by and large - who are fighting for the integrity of our land. No? I can self-identify as a "Zionist." Why don't we see Heredim, led by their rabbis, joining their brothers and sisters, protesting this massive assault on Torah and our covenant?<br /><br /><br />DS wrote: "While it sent its Jewish religious soldiers to be butchered by Turkish terrorists, while it exposes Jews of Yesha to murder and terror, while it destroys synagogues and turned its own Gush Katif population into refugees, it aids and abets the enemy and subverts the Jewish character of Israel....."<br /><br />True. Are there (were there) protests by Heredi rabbis over the sending of religious soldiers to be butchered by Turkish terrorists, over the exposing of Jews of Yesha to murder and terror, over the destruction of synagogues and turning its own Gush Katif population into refugees? Where were / are the protests?<br /><br /><br />DS wrote: "The Slonim Chasidim kept their daughters segregated from other girls at the school in the West Bank settlement of Emanuel, going so far as to have separate entrances and a dividing wall through the school's courtyard......Haredi education spokesman Dudi Zilbershalg admitted the haredi faith was littered with examples of girls who had not been accepted to schools because of their oriental background, but that this was not the case in Emmanuel. <br /><br /><br />"Here it is based solely on religion. The parents are unwilling to accept students whose parents do not practice a proper haredi lifestyle, such as not smoking on Saturday......The campaign, dubbed "The fund for saving PURE (emphasis mind) education in Israel", showed pictures of the school bound with iron chains and a sign saying "Closed by order of the High Court of Justice". "<br /><br />Such as not smoking on Saturday. I do not smoke DS. Is this such an egregious offense, Haredi parents will not allow their children to come near the children of these violators of the Sabbath? Because these parents are not PURE enough?<br /><br /><br />DS, you wrote: "Regev called on the Education Ministry to halt all funding to independent education until the court decision on Emmanuel had been implemented. "By continuing to fund this system the Education Ministry is assisting the undermining of the rule of law," he said."<br /><br />Continuing to fund this system? Does the school receive state funding or not?<br /><br /><br />You wrote: "EDMOND LEVY'S COMMENT IS TYPICAL OF THE PREVALENT RELIGIOUS-ZIONIST ATTITUDE: WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, THEY SHOW THAT THEIR GOD IS THE STATE, AND NOT HASHEM...."<br /><br />Do you really believe Zionist's God (our God) is the state? My God is not the state. Why do you say this?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-74722807514543205882010-06-17T18:15:52.336+03:002010-06-17T18:15:52.336+03:00Steve, you say that you are short of time. Meanwhi...Steve, you say that you are short of time. Meanwhile you are asking me a bundle. I am also short of time.<br /><br />May I please ask that you read ALL entries first, including my comments. I think I answer at least half of your questions. When you are done doing that, please rephrase your question,and I will try to answer them.<br /><br />OK?<br /><br />DSDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-74291018425802933282010-06-17T18:09:45.591+03:002010-06-17T18:09:45.591+03:00DS, OK I read Moshe Feiglin's piece. I am on ...DS, OK I read Moshe Feiglin's piece. I am on Feiglin's mailing list, by the way. Are you associated with the Haredi community yourself? <br /><br />Some things are black and white, such as the protests against homosexual parades in Jerusalem which I have and do support. Others are not so clear. <br /><br />I would have to agree in principle, if this is a private school, I cannot see the court having jurisdiction, except perhaps if it is out and out racism; something you maintain it is not.<br /><br />I say this because it would seem to me, were there a private school in the US that maintained no "Negroes, Jews or Hispanics need apply," the courts might have to intercede.<br /><br />So what I am asking you is this. Is there no "ethnic" segregation, Ashkenazi from Sephardim, in Israel today?<br /><br />Secondly, what exactly are the religious distinctions between Ashkenazi girls and Sephardic girls that these parents cannot accept? In what way (precisely) do the Sephardic girls fall short?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-12826798919562777482010-06-17T17:46:37.486+03:002010-06-17T17:46:37.486+03:00Steve, you are a little bit out of touch: Emanuel ...Steve, you are a little bit out of touch: Emanuel is a town in the Shomron. We are talking about parents who want to educate their children in a PRIVATE school, for which they are NOT asking any money from the state.<br /><br />Read the article from Moshe Feiglin, the second one. I highlighted his statement. If anybody should know, it is him.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-8958065900325577722010-06-17T17:34:43.862+03:002010-06-17T17:34:43.862+03:00DS, I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I've not r...DS, I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I've not read the entirety of your posts. Is Emanuel a private institution or a public institution? When I was last in Israel, I witnessed first hand, "ethnic" segregation between Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews. Are you maintaining this is not happening in Israel?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-87312076819840868312010-06-17T15:51:43.626+03:002010-06-17T15:51:43.626+03:00And see this in Hebrew:
http://www.ynet.co.il/art...And see this in Hebrew:<br /><br />http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3906723,00.htmlDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-75885490370690645582010-06-17T15:44:33.586+03:002010-06-17T15:44:33.586+03:00Excellent report here, at the Jerusalem Post:
htt...Excellent report here, at the Jerusalem Post:<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Article.aspx?id=178028<br /><br />Actually, the Sephardim are getting back everything they did to the Ashkenazim before the state was born. They were the ones discriminating against the Ashkenazim. Now they are the recipients of the scorn and humiliation.<br /><br />Not that I approve. I think it is sad that children are prevented from playing with each other. On the other hand, I am a daily witness to the loudness, lack of manners of Sephardi kids. I can understand the Hassidim.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-74269424037686530242010-06-17T15:04:31.427+03:002010-06-17T15:04:31.427+03:00Anonymous, one more thing. Your objection is, you ...Anonymous, one more thing. Your objection is, you don't want your tax money to be spent on racist schools.<br /><br />No worry: here is the scoop:<br /><br /> "But in this case, where the parents are forgoing any state funding for their school, no one has the right to take away their fundamental right to educate their children as they wish,” ( Moshe Feiglin) said. <br /><br />So if I were you, I would worry more about my tax money being spent on a school in Ramat Aviv Gimmel. There, you might encounter some REAL, honest-to-goodness racism.<br /><br />And what about your tax money going to FUND THE PA? Is that racist enough for you? Are you protesting that too? Are you protesting the millions of shekalim spent on transferring goods to Hamas? After all, that is tax money too. Is Hamas racist enough to your taste? Are you protesting that too? Just curious.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-82366295858273076452010-06-17T14:28:16.348+03:002010-06-17T14:28:16.348+03:00DS's reply:
Anonymous, you have been brainwas...DS's reply:<br /><br />Anonymous, you have been brainwashed by the system completely. Why don't you READ ABOUT THE FACTS: 30% of the girls in the school are Sephardim. The issue here is not race, despite what wannabe MK Yair Lapid and his equally demagogic friends are claiming. The issue is modesty and religion. The families object to their kids being educated in a class where the families don't observe Shabbat and Mitzvot properly. It is the families' right to choose however they want their kids to be educated. In the United States, one million kids are home schooled. Why do you think that is? FREEDOM OF CHOICE, freedom of religion.<br /><br />And go to the schools of these supposedly enlightened judges families, find out how their own kids are being educated. Read about the protests in Ramat Aviv because of Chabad even MOVING to the area. I ask you, WHO IS THE RACIST HERE?<br /><br />This is simply demagogy by the media, inflaming of hatred against the religious.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-19218601795764112732010-06-17T14:11:44.457+03:002010-06-17T14:11:44.457+03:00I don't want my tax money to be spent on racis...I don't want my tax money to be spent on racists schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6632148178430811066.post-18767123496073548372010-06-17T11:19:44.149+03:002010-06-17T11:19:44.149+03:00SHmuel said:
Proud of them. Finally a sign and fr...SHmuel said:<br /><br />Proud of them. Finally a sign and from a source I expected to be the one.<br />They do not send kids to be mashed while they stand on the side lines with videos.<br /> <br />KOL HAKAVODDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994156495571982528noreply@blogger.com